How do LOW-COST CARBON FIBER SHAFTS Perform Compared to the Best?
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That's why looking at same sizes between brands is a more useful comparison.
While I really enjoy any analysis/evaluation on deflection, and I respect Dr. Dave, not having a like-to-like test and, apparently, not being able to compare tests across videos, really does limit the practical uses of these comparison videos.
There is no criticism meant in that comment, any more than there is criticism meant against any shaft in this comparison video. Just observation.
Seeing other companies' cheapo shafts perform similarly to a $500+ Revo is quite interesting, of course.
I do not notice a high pitched sound with my Rhino shafts, especially the Must shaft. The Must shaft I have is very dead sounding, even after just putting a slightly harder tip on after viewing DR Daves video. I cut off the Ultraskin Pro black, and put on a Ultraskin Med red. I shot about 200 shots yesterday to break in that tip and did not get any unpredictable object ball hits, where with the very soft pro tip I did have an occasional unexpected object ball. I will say that with the stock tip that the Must shaft came with, it had a much more klinky sound when hit that I didn't like and I immediately took that off.
A big disclaimer here though. I did replace the Rhino ferrule/vault plate on the Rhino Must shaft with a custom Tomahawk one I made.
Rhinos vault plate only extends .3" into the shaft, the Tomahawk one I made extends .450"-.5" into the shaft, don't really remember now the actual length. Also the Rhino one is not hollowed out, just a simple cheap plug, where mine is not only hollowed out but also the part that sticks in the shaft has two cross drilled holes to create an improved glue lock. So while mine sticks further in the shaft compared to Rhinos, it actually is lighter in weight and a much better material.
Could this be why my Rhino shaft has a quieter hit than what others describe? Who knows, but it is quieter than when I got it with it's factory tip.
lobstertex
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To me the smaller diameter just feels like it fits my hands better both open and closed. I alternate between open and closed bridge depending on the shot, which I'm sure provides no actual advantage other than the psychological benefits of routine. But when shooting with a closed bridge I can feel the diameter increasing sooner with my Rhino must shaft, which was distracting at first, but causes no real issues now. I wonder how much taper can effect tip placement through a stroke with a longer bridge length. For instance could the increasing taper lift the tip enough to introduce follow on an otherwise center ball hit? (VS a constant diameter pro taper) It might be negligible, British players seem to have no issue with this and they predominantly play with conical tapers, but if you're used to one taper over another there might be an adjustment period.
KingSamurai
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In light of comparing across videos, I decided to summarize the results. Based on the Revo changes between videos, I decided it to multiply results from first video by .77 to account for changes in cloth, etc and this gives same result for Revo in second video.
I also added a field called "Variance" which is difference in deflection between Slow and Fast speeds, which would likely account for aiming adjustment needed.
It looks like Wheat State is the winner of the results. Whether it is worth the price is up to the buyer, but the results look good.
Dr. Dave, do you approve of these conclusions?
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Zerksies
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@drdave It's funny the 12.5 WSC does not line up with your last video. It's score rates it better then expected. It's about as good as a revo maybe a little less, but very close
Looks good to me. I think the most reliable numbers are the NPLs since they are much less sensitive to conditions.
I'm not sure what you mean by "does not line up." The performance was identical to the Revo. Honestly, I didn't expect that, but it is what it is.
Zerksies
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In your last video with the higher end shafts you had all 11.8 shafts And one 12.5 all the 11’s performed closely the same the 12.5 wasn’t even close. This video one 12.5 was almost and good and the top 11.8. Just a strange anomaly
With carbon fiber, the amount of CB deflection is not directly related to shaft diameter. Carbon fiber can be made in different thicknesses and with interior foams of different densities. It is possible to have a large diameter with a thin wall thickness and light foam for very low deflection. It is also possible to have a small diameter with a thick wall thickness and dense foam for very high deflection.
I want a 14mm low deflection carbon fiber shaft wih a long pro taper.
I just purchased a 12.5 Rhino from coolbilliards on ebay, as I didn't like the 11.9mm I had. Here is a picture of the tip. I asked coolbilliards what brand the tip was, as he described it as a Premium Multi-Layer Leather (medium) tip. He responded that it is a time crystal with multi-layer leather. This does not jive with my understanding of a Time Crystal tip.
Any thoughts on what it might be?
Any thoughts on what it might be?
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TipWilson
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I bought the Rhino shaft 2-3 years ago when it first made all the hoopla on these forums. It had noticeably higher CB deflection than any Predator shaft I've ever played, including 314-1's. I put it back in the box and its been sitting there since. I would have made it my "leave in the car year round cue" if it was the same.
IDK if I buy the results. Did they change the shaft design?
IDK if I buy the results. Did they change the shaft design?
Be careful, they break easily. I've had 2 friends that bought a Rhino shaft and it broke on both of them. Just saw a redditor saying his break cue broke as well
Paul_#_
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Dr Dave found Rhino had "off-the-charts" deflection for about 20% of hits and was due to a soft Time Crystal tip (video 6:00 minutes). The owner of the shaft had not found that and Dr Dave figured the differences were due to owner's jabbing stroke as opposed to Dr Dave's smoother, accelerating stroke. Dr Dave figured that the large deflection would not have occurred if another cue-tip brand or harder Time Crystal had been used.
What tips did you have on your Rhino that had high deflection? You probably did not have the blue Time Crystal but there have also been complaints about Rhino's earlier brown tip.
I encourage you to use the testing procedures in the video. If you get different results, please post them (along with a video if possible).
I guess it is possible they changed the design, but I don't know for sure.
thanks dr dave