John Schmidt runs 820

straightline said:
It's a monopoly. It is what it is and left unchallenged, only what it is.


As a fan and student observer, the official numbers are meaningless and sophomorically pedantic. This includes the fouls _and_ misses. I could GAF. There's so much more to learn about the process - including speculating on their tactical errors.
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There is a huge difference on the mental side of things when you are clean or think you are clean and when you know that when the video is reviewed it will show fouls.

You lay a six by six on the ground and dozens of people can walk it. Put the beam 200 feet in the air and very few can walk it. The pressure grows with every rack, tremendously more approaching a record. It's almost funny, they are fighting for every ball approaching a record. Once they think they have broken a record they may run another handful of racks almost effortlessly, the pressure is gone.

When I was a pup I cared nothing for golf, still don't. I would be riveted to the screen for the last few shots when two or three golfers were tied. Fifty thousand or more difference in payout for each place even back then. That was exciting!

That is why the videos when these people are trying to market high runs sell poorly, I believe. We already know how the story ends.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
There is a huge difference on the mental side of things when you are clean or think you are clean and when you know that when the video is reviewed it will show fouls.

You lay a six by six on the ground and dozens of people can walk it. Put the beam 200 feet in the air and very few can walk it. The pressure grows with every rack, tremendously more approaching a record. It's almost funny, they are fighting for every ball approaching a record. Once they think they have broken a record they may run another handful of racks almost effortlessly, the pressure is gone.

When I was a pup I cared nothing for golf, still don't. I would be riveted to the screen for the last few shots when two or three golfers were tied. Fifty thousand or more difference in payout for each place even back then. That was exciting!

That is why the videos when these people are trying to market high runs sell poorly, I believe. We already know how the story ends.

Hu
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skogstokig said:
a very fumbly 820
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820 nonetheless. Waiting for higher standards and screw the number. 350 on 4" holes for starters. No contact penalties maybe no penalties at all. Like racing. Players might go for it. Come. Get loose. Post a number. Long live Lou Butera....

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The balls missed by a diamond don't worry me that much. We saw a lot of rolls like that on tournament tables past years. I remember one of Alcaide (At the Mosconi cup I think?) missed by way more of a diamond or another famous one bye Efren again mike sigel
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Amaury said:
The balls missed by a diamond don't worry me that much. We saw a lot of rolls like that on tournament tables past years. I remember one of Alcaide (At the Mosconi cup I think?) missed by way more of a diamond or another famous one bye Efren again mike sigel
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At that distance and speed the OB is completely hooked up. It has a rotational obligation to keep moving forward, which it did.
 
straightline said:
820 nonetheless. Waiting for higher standards and screw the number. 350 on 4" holes for starters. No contact penalties maybe no penalties at all. Like racing. Players might go for it. Come. Get loose. Post a number. Long live Lou Butera....

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Racing has more rules than Carter has liver pills! The World of Outlaws started out great. That died when they couldn't beat local cars with big engines on big tracks so they outlawed the cars they couldn't beat. Then they became one more racing organization. Fantastic racing but they aren't outlaw racing anymore. Supermodified did the same thing. Indy likewise. Racing has a long history of outlawing what they couldn't beat.

Pool with no limits would be ridiculous. What is wrong with seven inch pockets? How about ten inch pockets? As for the no fouls, I have demonstrated the problem several times over the years. "Cue ball fouls only" has never been anything but a name for a set of rules, never real in my over fifty years of playing. Somebody move multiple balls with their hands or side of their stick and tell me cue ball fouls only. I got up and raked all the balls with my stick except the money ball then tapped it in. "Cue ball fouls only." This was in gambling matches so I stuck my hand out! They whined like the bitches they were! Oddly enough, we soon sorted out what "cue ball fouls only" meant and went back to playing. I had the break so I could have raked the balls and stuck my hand out all night with the rules they originally tried to play by to make moving about four balls legal!

They are taking advantage of today's equipment and no rules for these runs. It makes the runs meaningless in the context of breaking Willie's run. Things have changed too much. It appears that Willie's run will stand forever and new runs will be established that are in no way related to Willie's. I'm fine with a run what you brung ruleset. If somebody puts up big money with no rules the high run will become thousands.

I played on a table with bucket pockets one night. I didn't time it but I got on the table daylight one day and the action ended when the last few people had to go straight to work the next day about eight AM. I never lost a game. I didn't count games while it was going on but it was a challenge table at five a game and I started with one five. When I counted fives the next day I had over eight hundred in fives plus the money I spent without counting. I bought beer for four of us all night.

The place wasn't much over an hour from home so I tried again about a month later. I played three games and all the challenges were pulled off the table. I tried again about three or four months after the second try. I put up my challenge and all other challenges were pulled. A fine example of the equipment being too loose and few rules. The only things I had to be careful of were scratching or making an early eight ball.

Hu
 
fastone371 said:
Yes.
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Efren's shot may have been acceptable 21 years ago. But John playing on a table with 5 1/2" pockets in 2026 is crazy. The standard should be higher, not lower. There is no pressure shooting on a table like that, everything will go. So yes, there is a difference. Efren's shot 21 years ago was in a championship match for the win, against a formidable opponent, on a table that he did not design to spec. John's table was literally altered for the purpose of a high run.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Efren's shot may have been acceptable 21 years ago. But John playing on a table with 5 1/2" pockets in 2026 is crazy. The standard should be higher, not lower. There is no pressure shooting on a table like that, everything will go. So yes, there is a difference. Efren's shot 21 years ago was in a championship match for the win, against a formidable opponent, on a table that he did not design to spec. John's table was literally altered for the purpose of a high run.
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Efren had $200.000 on the line best I recall. When he reaches and shakes his shirt it is an indication his heart was beating like a triphammer! Mike was one of the few people with a winning record against Efren at the time. Efren was even nicknamed the bridesmaid for awhile because he came second to Mike so often. Mike has a mouth but he backed it up for years.

Watching the ball at the pocket it hit about midway of the inside rail. That means it would have fell on a much much tighter pocket. Loose pockets weren't what made that shot work.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Racing has more rules than Carter has liver pills! The World of Outlaws started out great. That died when they couldn't beat local cars with big engines on big tracks so they outlawed the cars they couldn't beat. Then they became one more racing organization. Fantastic racing but they aren't outlaw racing anymore. Supermodified did the same thing. Indy likewise. Racing has a long history of outlawing what they couldn't beat.

Pool with no limits would be ridiculous. What is wrong with seven inch pockets? How about ten inch pockets? As for the no fouls, I have demonstrated the problem several times over the years. "Cue ball fouls only" has never been anything but a name for a set of rules, never real in my over fifty years of playing. Somebody move multiple balls with their hands or side of their stick and tell me cue ball fouls only. I got up and raked all the balls with my stick except the money ball then tapped it in. "Cue ball fouls only." This was in gambling matches so I stuck my hand out! They whined like the bitches they were! Oddly enough, we soon sorted out what "cue ball fouls only" meant and went back to playing. I had the break so I could have raked the balls and stuck my hand out all night with the rules they originally tried to play by to make moving about four balls legal!

They are taking advantage of today's equipment and no rules for these runs. It makes the runs meaningless in the context of breaking Willie's run. Things have changed too much. It appears that Willie's run will stand forever and new runs will be established that are in no way related to Willie's. I'm fine with a run what you brung ruleset. If somebody puts up big money with no rules the high run will become thousands.

I played on a table with bucket pockets one night. I didn't time it but I got on the table daylight one day and the action ended when the last few people had to go straight to work the next day about eight AM. I never lost a game. I didn't count games while it was going on but it was a challenge table at five a game and I started with one five. When I counted fives the next day I had over eight hundred in fives plus the money I spent without counting. I bought beer for four of us all night.

The place wasn't much over an hour from home so I tried again about a month later. I played three games and all the challenges were pulled off the table. I tried again about three or four months after the second try. I put up my challenge and all other challenges were pulled. A fine example of the equipment being too loose and few rules. The only things I had to be careful of were scratching or making an early eight ball.

Hu
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Okay okay ok... I meant like curbs, dirt, even some contact - just get there.
 
straightline said:
Okay okay ok... I meant like curbs, dirt, even some contact - just get there.
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People, fair warning an almost totally off topic post about racing. Straightline, when I was racing dirt there was a track the owner tried mightily to make perfect, track and grounds. Just inside of turn one there was a small mudhole. My left front tire went into the mudhole every lap! The track owner asked me why I hit the mudhole every lap. I told him the truth, I just herded the car around the track, the car chose the exact path. I tried a few times staying out of the mudhole but the car must have been part pig, it liked running in the mudhole! I also ran snuggled up against the wall on the straights so I was using every bit of the track and a little more!

I told him I wouldn't be upset if he put a big tire or mound of dirt where the mudhole was at but as long as I could run there I had to. It was the fastest way around the track for my car.

As for contact, I have never been black flagged but I have caused the flagman to pick it up a handful of times. Mostly I preferred a polite nudge at exactly the wrong moment for the other car and plausible deniability!

OK, back to the regularly scheduled program!

I won't mention any names but anybody that could run 820 legal or not could run 833 if they had the balls of a bull gerbil!

Hu
 
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