Ultimates Rules

maha said:
the rule where you can chose favors the better breaker and ball pocketer. hurts the mover and weaker player the most.

the rule take what you make also favors the better breaker but not as much as the choice after the break.

as far as speeding things up it makes the breaker leave the table if he misses on the break and continue immediately if he makes a ball.
it doesnt have him standing around trying to figure out all the best possible run outs to chose from. and slow players take full advantage of that and rightly so.
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I know that I usually don't have to spend a lot of time figuring out which group I am going to take on an open table. I always look at the 8 first, a lot of times that will help you decide on a group, then I look for tied up balls. I do spend more time figuring out my shot order and that happens regardless of whether its take what you make or open after the break. I think with either format its a horse a piece as far as time goes.
 
Matt_H said:
It seems like the rules change on a trial and error basis from one event to the next. Hopefully they will consult the players and settle on something that sticks.
Rules are the same for everybody, but would sting if something that contributed to your elimination was altered for the next event.
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It might seem like that, but it's not true. I can only think of one actual rule they've changed for the Americans and it was certainly based on player feedback. Used to be that if you ONLY made the 8-ball on the break, it spotted and it was your opponent's turn. Now it spots and you remain at the table.

The shootout has changed over the last couple of events so it would fall more in line with the league format. I liked it better with the "golden breaks" and races to 6.
 
briankenobi said:
The rules for UP are derived from English 8 ball and Blackball. These rules are normal for people outside the US.
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They are actually derived from WPA Rules. A number of years ago (I think around 2017-18) there were two competing sets of "English" pool rules - "Blackball" and "World Rules". Players who played in one organization's tournaments were often banned from the other. The Supreme Pool Series (or a similar name) was an attempt to unite the rule sets -players from both sides of the divide were invited (and Shaw, Appleton, Melling and Boyes turned up). They would play a tournament under Blackball rules and then World Rules and then the newly invented "Supreme Rules" which were a BIH version based on WPA rules. Later Ultimate Pool became the brand name, hence the name change to International Rules. They were so successful that the WEPF (who used World Rules) adopted them as "International Rules".

There are still some hangovers from the old sets of rules (such as no call shots, play away from a touching (frozen) ball) - so yes it is also probably correct to say they are derived from English rules. Really, they should have just gone the whole way and switched back to "proper" pool rules.
 
"Golden" break was never an actual rule. It was used only in the speed tournaments with a fast shot clock - which I think is a good rule in that particular format but an absolutely awful rule in any kind of "normal" 8 ball where the object of the game is to pot your suit and then the 8.
 
Swighey said:
"Golden" break was never an actual rule. It was used only in the speed tournaments with a fast shot clock - which I think is a good rule in that particular format but an absolutely awful rule in any kind of "normal" 8 ball where the object of the game is to pot your suit and then the 8.
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I agree. I did like it in the shootout format though.
 
Having a different rule for the TV table than the tournament tables. Never have seen that in Any event league or pro. And slopping in your missed ball counts. Does that still count Ee?
 
Cartune said:
Slop counts is a junk rule, that should not be acceptable
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Not saying I agree with it, but this is how it was explained to me with regards to slop, specifically on the 8:

Because it is a timed match, allowing slop on the 8 allows the player that is behind to sort of swing for the fences should they have made all of their object balls. This way, the player ahead in games can't just stall by making the behind player kick at the 8 for 5+ minutes. Without the rule, the ahead player could just keep bunting balls around hoping to run out the clock.
 
Island Drive said:
Having a different rule for the TV table than the tournament tables. Never have seen that in Any event league or pro. And slopping in your missed ball counts. Does that still count Ee?
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As JAB already mentioned, you are confusing two different tournaments. I know the format and/or rules are not everyone's cup of tea, but if you are passionate enough to openly discuss what you don't like about it, the least you could do is take the time to understand what you're complaining about.
 
slop keeps the game moving and exciting when someone slops one in. and is sometimes the right shot to shoot. call all balls eliminates times you should try to slop one in.
and in the past all 8 ball was slop and always 8 on the break was a win. as it should be.

if you want to know who is the best player just look at their fargo and eliminate further tournaments as they are a waste of time if set up so the best always win.
 
that's how it used to be when played everywhere, and a win if made legally. why not. works fine for both sides.

wherever you go there will be some players that are better than the rest that will propose new rules, to take any luck out so they win much more often.
 
Island Drive said:
I read 8 on the break/scratch is a loss. Am I right easy?
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No. That used to be the rule in their shootout, but never in their Open events. The shootout is designed for action and excitement. They recently changed that rule because the leagues are growing quickly and many league members were confused when they saw that happen on the stream. Now the shootout is played exactly like the league format.
 
I really can't stand that, you pocket a ball you must shoot them balls. I make a monster break and pocket in two stripes, but solids is my choice and i get penalized for giving my opponet two balls. Sounds like weaker player trying to cheat to win.
 
Zerksies said:
I really can't stand that, you pocket a ball you must shoot them balls. I make a monster break and pocket in two stripes, but solids is my choice and i get penalized for giving my opponet two balls. Sounds like weaker player trying to cheat to win.
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I can't stand take what you make for a tournament. I played Jeremy Seaman at this past event and one time he made 3 or 4 solids on one break. Every striped ball was wide open, and two of the remaining solids were pretty bad. He chose stripes and ran out in like 45 seconds... as it should be!
 
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