Seeing the contact point on the object ball.

A lot of what I do doesn't make sense. The reason I try to not overthink things when I am down on a shot. The shot has worked just like this for decades. A bit late to start thinking about it now!(grin)

Hu
 
Your conscious mind is INCAPABLE of calculating all the things necessary for even the most simple shots. If you had to rely on conscious thought alone you'd be lucky to even strike the cue ball.
Arguing over every little nuance of "aiming" is an exercise in futility.
Without repetition and training the subconscious to recognize and perform the necessary functions, you're pretty much lost. Systems and drawing lines and angles simply speed up the process of training the subconscious.
Employing systems during play distracts and focuses the conscious mind, letting the real powerhouse do the work.
Exactly. In my case, getting my conscious mind out of the way helps greatly.
 
Funny thing, while I am not a great banker, when my game is stale for whatever reason, my straight in shooting falls off a lot more than my banking. My straight in shots rely more on cyphering and eyeballing. My banking depends more on calculating available angle and speed, feel if you will. Somehow just looking and letting the unconscious do the cyphering well below surface level works a lot better than trying to work with surface signs.

Hu
 
Why would it be?

Rhetorical. People err and dismiss it to inevitable. They may have choice words and simply keep chugging away. The points and lines are relevant because being aware of the specific shot being attempted will at the very least serve to curb incompetence. The geometry is also the best practice gadget. It automatically maps any shot and won't budge while you work on congruence.
 
Funny thing, while I am not a great banker, when my game is stale for whatever reason, my straight in shooting falls off a lot more than my banking. My straight in shots rely more on cyphering and eyeballing. My banking depends more on calculating available angle and speed, feel if you will. Somehow just looking and letting the unconscious do the cyphering well below surface level works a lot better than trying to work with surface signs.

Hu
The geometry wont interfere with your mental state either. People like you still needs good bearings to get it happening.
 
The geometry wont interfere with your mental state either. People like you still needs good bearings to get it happening.

Well, there is theory and there is fact. I'm on the wrong side of seventy. Went to the eye doctor a few months ago. Still no glasses needed. The tables and pockets don't move, neither do the balls before you hit them.

Something most people don't recall, Efren was legally blind or close to it before he got his eyes fixed. Still winning major events! There aren't any absolutes in the pool world or anywhere else. My last three scores on a pistol range shooting once a year were a 599/600, 600/600, and a dnf when I was shooting once a year and had an equipment failure. The young guns wanted to know who the hell the old man was they had never heard of when the tournament director kept announcing "first place, Hu."

I have done it with a gun and with a pool stick. Fun to come from somewhere in left field and spank the youngsters! Even sweeter to do it with a Hubilt pistol.(grin)
 
Rhetorical. People err and dismiss it to inevitable. They may have choice words and simply keep chugging away. The points and lines are relevant because being aware of the specific shot being attempted will at the very least serve to curb incompetence. The geometry is also the best practice gadget. It automatically maps any shot and won't budge while you work on congruence.
Ok... maybe I'm dense, but I don't follow what that has to do with what I said.
 
About clear head? Ok. Just maintaining CG identity.

CG and hyperexoexecution are separate entities. You know; measure twice cut once blah blah...
Ok, clear head would be a good way to describe what is going on when I am in the zone. When I googled CG I got ambiguous results, and hyperexoexecution was not found.
 
Ok, clear head would be a good way to describe what is going on when I am in the zone. When I googled CG I got ambiguous results, and hyperexoexecution was not found.
CG is mostly what this thread is. Contact Geometry.

Hyperexoexecution is a double positive I just coined to indicate (sarcastically) the process of unconscious execution. Playing music works well like that but I think not so much, pool. Pool has a significant element of hostility that cannot be ignored.
 
CG is mostly what this thread is. Contact Geometry.

Hyperexoexecution is a double positive I just coined to indicate (sarcastically) the process of unconscious execution. Playing music works well like that but I think not so much, pool. Pool has a significant element of hostility that cannot be ignored.
Ok. Yes, I do that in both playing music and pool. Both can be competitive but in pool I only got hostile when the other guy was being a dick or trying to psyche me. My revenge was to beat them soundly and show them they never had a chance. Other than that, I was just free stroking as much as possible. Mosconi did not talk about aiming systems in his little red book so I never learned one. Just seeing the contact point and the path of the CB post contact was enough. My physics training helped with the mechanical aspects.

I don't know if it was my math background or what but I never learned an aiming system for banks either. To this day, I just get down, glance at the target pocket out of the corner of my eye, return the the CB and when it feels right, drain it without seeking a contact point.
 
I don't know if it was my math background or what but I never learned an aiming system for banks either. To this day, I just get down, glance at the target pocket out of the corner of my eye, return the the CB and when it feels right, drain it without seeking a contact point.
how does having a math background contribute to NOT learning a system as most are mathematical????
 
Not sure how to answer that, but if I were just a math/science nerd I might have looked for a system. I am also a musician, which relies heavily on intuition and feeling.

When I started playing pool during college it was with the intention of taking a break, getting my mind off all the math/science (calculus class at 0730? gimme a break). What I meant by math background was geometry, understanding what was happening with the angles. AFAIK, I don't have a system for aiming bank shots or kick shots; I just experimented with it until I could do it by feel/intuition. If I had a system, I might be able to teach it but I wouldn't know where to start with teaching my method to someone else.
 
And I think at least thousands of balls are needed for understanding or getting a feel for bank shots, but it also helps to know what the balls are doing and what changes the lines -- cloth, rails, speed, spin, cut angle, .... For some people, it helps to experiment with banks on the practice table, so you can try something again immediately and maybe come to a conclusion. Some systems at least get you started and have something to compare the on-table results against.
 
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And I think at least thousands of balls are needed for understanding or getting a feel for bank shots, but it also helps to know what the balls are doing and what changes the lines -- cloth, rails, speed, spin, cut angle, .... For some people, it helps to experiment with banks on the practice table, so you can try something again immediately and maybe come to a conclusion. Some systems at least get you started and have something to compare the on-table results against.
I was spending 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week on pool practice so I am sure I shot many thousands of balls in that time. My physics training helped with understanding what I was seeing, coefficient of friction and so on. I also made mental notes when a more experienced player made bank shots.
 
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