The history of predator low defection.. interesting video

iusedtoberich said:
I took apart a couple of my personal 314-1 that had broken (due to my anger of smashing on the table) and saw how they were built personally. This was around 2000. I still have one that I had bandsawed in half lengthwise in my basement. (not near me now)
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skogstokig said:
i've owned all iterations of the 314 and still use the pre-cat as my main player. the wood in the 3rd gen was of poor qua
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I have a question for people that have played different versions of the 314, do you see much of a difference in the deflection from the precat to the 3? I have an early one from around 2000, was thinking about getting a newer one. Thanks
 
dendweller said:
I have a question for people that have played different versions of the 314, do you see much of a difference in the deflection from the precat to the 3? I have an early one from around 2000, was thinking about getting a newer one. Thanks
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nope. i've turned mine down to 12.2mm though.

on that topic i saw kaci is back to his old 314-2
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
I have never bought a Hi-Tech Hype shaft. Maple works for me, when I plsy great it is on me, when I play bad it is on me.

Pool is a game of skill, not who has best tools.

JMHO.🤧
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With all due respect, I saw Parica lose several thousand. The spot was he had to use a house cue and not his own cue.
The way it came about was he was banging balls around on a table and a guy he had just beat said, " I'll play you the same game but you have to use that cue". Parica agreed.

Big mistake. It flipped what was a pretty close game with Parica having the edge to a lopsided loss. The cue made that much difference.
 
dendweller said:
I have a question for people that have played different versions of the 314, do you see much of a difference in the deflection from the precat to the 3? I have an early one from around 2000, was thinking about getting a newer one. Thanks
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No. I’ve had multiples of pre cat 314, cat 314-1, 314-2, z-1, z-2 (skipped all the -3’s), Revo 11.8, 12.4, 12.9. I personally think the whole family lineage squirts almost the same (and significantly less than anything else).
 
dendweller said:
I have a question for people that have played different versions of the 314, do you see much of a difference in the deflection from the precat to the 3? I have an early one from around 2000, was thinking about getting a newer one. Thanks
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I have every 314 iteration, and the only one that I find plays acceptably is the pre-cat. The second and third iterations play almost identically to one another, both with higher deflection than my pre-cat.
 
middleofnowhere said:
... Big mistake. [Using a house cue] flipped what was a pretty close game with Parica having the edge to a lopsided loss. The cue made that much difference.
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On a related note, Eddie Robin has said that the only characteristic he really cared about in a cue -- if he had to use a strange one -- was deflection/squirt. He would be OK with any other change.
 
skor said:
On my first Predator cue (98-1), I had the pre-cat logo, my later shafts (that I still own) are all 314-2
I did not feel any difference in the hit when I got the newer shafts. it did have a shorter ferrule with less front end mass and improved performance.
This is all in people's heads, just like saying that CF feels dead...

Over the years, I've tried many LD shafts from different brands and of course also CF shafts that claim to be LD, none perform as well as the 314-2 in terms of low deflection. The original OB shaft, the Revo 12.9 and the SMO 12.5 are the only that come close.
** Maybe there are some shafts out there that are as good or even better, I've tried a lot but not all of them...
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Have you tested the 314-3?
 
Lowell said:
Have you tested the 314-3?
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By updating the internal structure with their V-Tek** construction, Predator engineered the 314-3 to be 3% lighter at the front end. This reduction in mass results in a claimed 4% decrease in deflection compared to the older 314-2, while simultaneously making the shaft stiffer and stronger.

** The V-Tek construction process integrates several key features:

Ferrule: A proprietary material that is both lighter and stronger than standard ferrules.

Vault Plate: A strong, lightweight plate that sits above the ferrule, completely reconfiguring stress points to increase energy transfer.

Tip Silencer: A lightweight component positioned under the tip. It creates a strong, tactile gluing surface and provides an audibly pleasing sound upon ball contact.

Predator Victory Tip: An 8-layer premium tip engineered to maintain optimum compression throughout its lifespan.
 
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7stud said:
By updating the internal structure with their V-Tek construction, Predator engineered the 314-3 to be 3% lighter at the front end. This reduction in mass results in a claimed 4% decrease in deflection compared to the older 314-2, while simultaneously making the shaft stiffer and stronger.
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I doubt that 4% is something that a human can notice or adjust for, so in other words, they play just the same…
 
trob said:
Just thought I would post this and see what you think about it. Maybe how accurate it is? Enjoy



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Interesting!! The slow motion starting at 6'28'' shows a kind of bending which makes me understand why some of the very efficient low deflection shafts - Z-shaft from predator for example - can be played without compensating deflection, because there's zero deflection created although adding pretty much of side rotation.
 
riedmich said:
The slow motion starting at 6'28'' shows a kind of bending which makes me understand why some of the very efficient low deflection shafts - Z-shaft from predator for example - can be played without compensating deflection, because there's zero deflection created although adding pretty much of side rotation.
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It looks like half the ferrule bends and is maybe compressed in fourth frame below, frame number 2120 (CT 00000.35460).

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Paul Bell said:
It looks like half the ferrule bends and is maybe compressed in fourth frame below, frame number 2120 (CT 00000.35460). ..
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Those images are 27 years old. They are from The Jacksonville Experiment, which is described here:


I don't think the image is clear enough to be sure of any visible bending.

If you are interested in the physics of squirt/deflection, here is a good technical discussion:


It explains why zero deflection is practically very unlikely.
 
riedmich said:
...some of the very efficient low deflection shafts - Z-shaft from predator for example - can be played without compensating deflection, because there's zero deflection created although adding pretty much of side rotation.
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Just a coupla nits that seem to need a little picking...

1. There's always some deflection with an offcenter tip/ball contact.
2. Sidespin is only added by hitting farther (sideways) from CB center.

pj
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