Push Foul Explanation

[straightline]

For those thinking backhand English involves moving the grip hand sideways during the stroke (“swiping” the CB): do you think fronthand English includes moving the bridge hand sideways during the stroke?

pj
chgo

I hadn't but will henceforth.

 

[Mensabum]

For those thinking backhand English involves moving the grip hand sideways during the stroke (“swiping” the CB): do you think fronthand English includes moving the bridge hand sideways during the stroke?

pj
chgo

That's cold.

 

[Mensabum]

If you used a smaller tip you might realize there’s no difference except less squirt and greater visibility.

pj
chgo

I think my main problem is my aiming system.

 

[straightline]

“Assuming any reasonable tip curvature”, the edge of your tip cannot touch the ball before passing the miscue limit - if it does your tip is too flat, prone to miscue and can’t produce maximum spin. Tips of any size need at least 60 degrees of arc to prevent that.

It’s the curvature, not the size (seems like I’ve heard that before).

pj
chgo

P.S. Your tip must be just about completely flat for its edge to contact the center of the cue ball as in your pic. Only good for center ball hits.

If you used a smaller tip you might realize there’s no difference except less squirt and greater visibility.

pj
chgo

Just for clarity edge at the centerline.

 

[Kjackxon]

I had a follow up question to the “push” ball encounter.
Is it likely that the cue tip, moving in an upward motion after the hit, can brush the cue ball a second time?
I constantly tell myself to keep the tip on the same plane, especially if I’m trying to draw or follow.
I hate to call that kind of stuff, but it irks me.

 

[straightline]

I had a follow up question to the “push” ball encounter.
Is it likely that the cue tip, moving in an upward motion after the hit, can brush the cue ball a second time?
I constantly tell myself to keep the tip on the same plane, especially if I’m trying to draw or follow.
I hate to call that kind of stuff, but it irks me.

Dr. Dave established that it does in fact happen and will leave a strobed trail of chalk marks.

 

[jay helfert]

If “juice” means spin, that depends on curvature, not size. Same offset with same curvature = same contact point, regardless of size.

If “juice” means power - that depends on total stick weight, not tip size.

pj
chgo

Not quite

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If “juice” means spin, that depends on curvature, not size. Same offset with same curvature = same contact point, regardless of size.

If “juice” means power - that depends on total stick weight, not tip size.

pj
chgo

Not quite

What’d I miss, Jay?

pj
chgo

 

[jay helfert]

What’d I miss, Jay?

pj
chgo

Sorry Patrick but a very narrow tip imparts more english with an off center hit. Curvature (nickei or dime) doesn't do that. Same size tip, the curve has little to no effect on the application of english or "spin" as you call it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Sorry Patrick but a very narrow tip imparts more english with an off center hit. Curvature (nickei or dime) doesn't do that. Same size tip, the curve has little to no effect on the application of english or "spin" as you call it.

Does a narrow tip contact the CB farther from center?

pj
chgo

 

[jay helfert]

Does a narrow tip contact the CB farther from center?

pj
chgo

It can. Hit the same shot with a 12.5mm tip and then a 11mm tip. Watch how much english is imparted to the cue ball and how much it spins off the rail. Let me know what you think.

Popular belief is that no matter the tip size the same amount of contact with the cue ball is made. I would dispute that.

 

[dendweller]

I’m looking for direction to help a friend and competitor understand how unnecessary back hand english can lead to fouls. He has what I call a “Yip Stroke” in which he decelerates and then accelerates his stroke through the ball.

I used to golf with a guy who putted like that. People used to give him the putts so they didn't have to watch it again.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Hit the same shot with a 12.5mm tip and then a 11mm tip. Watch how much english is imparted to the cue ball and how much it spins off the rail. Let me know what you think.

I think if any two tips of whatever different sizes and shapes hit the CB on the same spot, they’ll produce the same spin.

pj
chgo

 

[jay helfert]

I think if any two tips of whatever different sizes and shapes hit the CB on the same spot, they’ll produce the same spin.

pj
chgo

Possibly, and maybe with the narrow tip you can induce more spin. Jewett?

P.S. how'd you do with the balancing act shot?