Why don't more bars lease Diamond pool tables?

The place I play has all Diamonds, 9’s in the front and 7’s in the back for leagues. The guy that owns the place is a Diamond Dealer as well as owning a table
moving/repair/recovering business. Even he has a hard time keeping the bar boxes in good shape, those league people beat those tables to death.

He’ll recover them all and within a week the damage to the new cloth from bangers getting food stains on it because they can’t seem to reconcile that if you want to eat chicken wings, you should eat your wings, wash your hands and then reconvene play seems lost on the drunken league animals. They don’t respect anything.
Or use the pockets as a drink holder.
 
The place I play has all Diamonds, 9’s in the front and 7’s in the back for leagues. The guy that owns the place is a Diamond Dealer as well as owning a table
moving/repair/recovering business. Even he has a hard time keeping the bar boxes in good shape, those league people beat those tables to death.

He’ll recover them all and within a week the damage to the new cloth from bangers getting food stains on it because they can’t seem to reconcile that if you want to eat chicken wings, you should eat your wings, wash your hands and then reconvene play seems lost on the drunken league animals. They don’t respect anything.
Or use the pockets as a drink holder.
 
Yes everything is some things are worse than others ha ha !

If you're ever bored try driving across Montana from one end to another , and I live darn close to the middle of the state .
Its like 700-800 miles, isn't it? I did a couple of marathon drives a few years ago. First was Wisconsin to Maryland, on a Friday and a Saturday, that was 1610 miles total, then the summer after Wisconsin to Detroit, that was one day and 845 miles, both were grueling. The problem seems like with traversing Montana is that there just isn't much to see but Earth and sky.
 
At least around Austin, bars don't really have motivation to upgrade. At best the bars are going to mostly get casual players that don't take care of equipment. That Valley they've had for 20 years is pure profit at this point. If the lease program for Diamond you reference exists, it halves whatever profit they were getting plus now they have to dispose of a Valley table.

Even then, most of the bars in North Austin have removed most or all of their bar boxes and put in dart boards. Plus, almost all of the better pool halls in this area have Diamonds and that's where the "serious" players are going to go.
 
This thread is TDLR; as far as I can tell, so I will try to summarize:
  1. There is no Diamond lease / share profits program that I could find. They do have a financing program listed here:
  2. Many local operators / vendors (not manufacturers) seem to offer either revenue sharing or lease / rental programs for both Valley and possibly Diamond tables. For example, this site:
  3. I have played on some very nice Valley tables in my 50+ years of playing pool if they are maintained and setup correctly with quality rails plus high grade felt and if the foundations of the tables are sound (rail bolts tighten correctly, slate and its bed are not damaged or warped, pockets are in excellent condition, etc.). Yes, they are not Diamonds, but not every bar wants or needs Diamond tables.
  4. On ball sets: Yes, the default Aramith Premier line with the modified stripe balls and the green Valley cougar cue ball (mud ball) can get quite tired over multiple years of use. My recommendation is to get a personal set of Dynasphere Bronze / Vanadium balls for players that care about the hit of a quality set of balls and usually have a quality cue stick or two (one for breaking) that they travel with to one or more bars. But there are some considerations to make when bringing your own balls with your other usual hardware:
    1. The bar table's ball return might not be open and your cue ball does not come down the ball return if a scratch is made. Solutions are:
      1. Use the green Valley cougar cue ball (ugh).
      2. Upgrade to the purple Valley cougar cue ball (a little better one that is labeled as tournament quality and will work with the ball return). Here is a link:
    2. Look for bars that offer free pool with ball returns open to use your own set or ask the owners if you can rent the table with the ball return opened so you can use your own set. They even might let you keep your ball set behind the bar so you do not have to travel with it (this is what I do and we use either a red circle cue ball or the included Dynaspheres cue ball).
And on a closing note, most bar owners don't really care about the condition of their bar tables. And if they do, they charge more for pool or drinks / food or both. It is about a $1000 on the west coast to do an 8 foot Valley table for quality rails and felt including proper labor and setup. That can be a big hit if an owner has multiple tables that get a good amount of play. Even a bigger hit to the owner if there are clueless players spilling drinks, trying jump or masse shots incorrectly or just sitting on the tables which all result in premature wear and damage.
 
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I don't think league players are the ones being rough with the tables, it's the frat boy types who don't take pool seriously at all
Sure, league vs non-league players and how they treat the tables. But how many bars do you know of that ONLY have league players during all open hours?
 
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