Not sure without seeing the whole rule book, but I wonder if the jumps referred to in that rule meant balls jumped off the table as opposed to jumping the cueball. I always understood jumps were legal with the legal non scooping stroke as you say. It was just done with the playing cue as opposed to the jump cue.
Content for the old 9-ball rules--Push out--ball in the Kitchen
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I bet that's it. Thanks for that perspective. Never occurred to me.
No jump cues but jump rods were common in some areas. Just a metal rod around sixteen-eighteen inches long with a tip glued on one end. These were often specifically outlawed. I let people use them unless they demonstrated they were good with one.
Same thing with jump cues until recently. Letting the other player use a jump cue was an advantage for me. No complaints except the wasted time. People are getting good enough with jump cues now that jumping can be an advantage.
People forget Earl was never against jumping. Jump rods and jump cues brought others up to his level jumping and those were what he was against. Anybody wanting to jump with their playing cue was welcome to.
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Back in the days before special cues we knew a top Lady player that could (No Shit) jump the oversized cueball over a full ball at 12 inches. Using her shooter.
Well I did face her in the finals of a 2 day event. She won the first set but I got her in the last. The local Ladies events barred jump shots totally on account of her skill.
I recall the tears in her eyes when she told us of the new rule. We had arrived late to watch the Ladies event in the Seattle Tacoma area.
Someone remind me of something, what exactly did the 2 pushout rules for 9 ball do to the game? Did it make it were the players had to use their brains more before taking the shot?
the only rules, which would be considered old school by today's standard, that I played with growing up in upper Manhattan was basically ball behind the kitchen if it scratches and that any ball that went down when the foul was committed had to be brought back up. I do not remember being able to pushout after a scratch.
the only rules, which would be considered old school by today's standard, that I played with growing up in upper Manhattan was basically ball behind the kitchen if it scratches and that any ball that went down when the foul was committed had to be brought back up. I do not remember being able to pushout after a scratch.
I am not quite old enough, but…. When I started playing in the ‘80’s a transplant from New York was the last holdout for push out rules; he’d only gamble with those rules. He talked about Mc Girr’s some. So the New York guys played with the old rules back when. I never played with them but did play 1 foul that wasn’t Texas Express.
Anyway, the safety and kicking game was less important. So when you see threads criticizing the old players for deficiencies in those areas you have to remember that many grew up with different rules. Texas Express with 1 foul ball in hand made a good safety really valuable. Top players can run out all the time with ball in hand, so the penalty for fouling is huge and the benefits of getting out of the safe are significant. Now the modern players are better, I get it, but there is a whole new incentive to work on safeties, kicking, and jumping. It’s much more important. Two way shots somewhat less important. I’m not the biggest expert tho.
Do you remember weird casual 8 ball rules like "one spot" for scratches (all scratched must be played on the head spot) or losing automatically if you're on the 8 and don't make contact with it?
When I play at non-APA bars in NYC, I often come across stuff like this.
And the push out / 2 foul rule rewarded long shot ability. It's a trade-off.
“If lowest numbered object ball is behind the headstring, it is removed from play and the lowest numbered ball outside the headstring becomes the next object ball.”
My dad was too young for Korea and too old for Vietnam. He has always played the lowest ball behind the headstring would be spotted. Cue ball in kitchen, per the Navy servicemen in Kodiak, Alaska.
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I recall seeing one of those in an old block house bar on old hwy 14 south of Springfield. Couldn't believe it when that old farmer grabbed that rod and got over a ball that wasn't 6 inches away to send me packing for the nite.
Ever since then, I've made it a point to work on my jump shot.
These new CF jump cues make it so darn easy that any newbie can jump now.
I can literally put on a show with mine, and sometimes do, when crowds gather.
Don't think badly of me. At my age I need all the ego boost I can get.
My glory days are long past. If there's no action, might as well enjoy myself!!
Wow!!!Back in the days before special cues we knew a top Lady player that could (No Shit) jump the oversized cueball over a full ball at 12 inches. Using her shooter.
The local Ladies events barred jump shots totally on account of her skill.
Was that Jeanie, by any chance??Back in the days before special cues we knew a top Lady player that could (No Shit) jump the oversized cueball over a full ball at 12 inches. Using her shooter.
The local Ladies events barred jump shots totally on account of her skill.
We always thot that made it too easy for the better player. Only push you got around here was after the break.
Hard money.
The no contact 8 is same as a foul on it, if memory serves. I recall guys playing by that rule in Virginia Beach. No paint, you pay.
Push after a scratch?? No way.
Always!!! No free rides on ball count here buster.
But they don't consider "table scratches" to be fouls, so it seems incongruent to me. It allows really shitty players to win games pretty easily just by not sinking any balls.
I think I misunderstood. I was referring to players that didnt make a good hit on the 8 ball and lost the game.