Dealing with cheats

[Bob Jewett]

Are you playing one of the CSI leagues? If so, pattern racking is against the rules.

That is not what the CSI rulebook says.

 

[Fore Rail]

CSI APPLIED RULINGS: 8-BALL

2-2 8-Ball Rack

For the purposes of Rule 2-2-d, the common practice of alternating solids and stripes around the outside of the rack is permissible, provided the pattern is altered so there is a stripe in one rear corner and a solid in the other and that the position of any particular ball is not consistent between racks.

 

[fuggles]

That is not what the CSI rulebook says.

Well it does say the rack other than the 8 ball and corner balls have to be random.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Well it does say the rack other than the 8 ball and corner balls have to be random.

It also says this on page 103, which is not random:

2-2 8-Ball Rack​

For the purposes of Rule 2-2-d, the common practice of alternating solids and stripes around the outside of the rack is permissible, provided the pattern is altered so there is a stripe in one rear corner and a solid in the other and that the position of any particular ball is not consistent between racks.​

I don't know whether Deuel's pattern is allowable under this interpretation.

 

[David in FL]

Does it actually help your opponent?

This...

Maybe I'm the exception here, but absent gapping the rack in 9-ball, the people I tend to play aren't at the level that I worry a lot about how they rack the balls...

 

[fuggles]

It also says this on page 103, which is not random:

2-2 8-Ball Rack​

For the purposes of Rule 2-2-d, the common practice of alternating solids and stripes around the outside of the rack is permissible, provided the pattern is altered so there is a stripe in one rear corner and a solid in the other and that the position of any particular ball is not consistent between racks.​

I don't know whether Deuel's pattern is allowable under this interpretation.

Cory's pattern is definitely not alternating stripes and solids around the outside.

 

[fuggles]

It also says this on page 103, which is not random:

2-2 8-Ball Rack​

For the purposes of Rule 2-2-d, the common practice of alternating solids and stripes around the outside of the rack is permissible, provided the pattern is altered so there is a stripe in one rear corner and a solid in the other and that the position of any particular ball is not consistent between racks.​

I don't know whether Deuel's pattern is allowable under this interpretation.

Here is Cory's pattern for reference.

 

[fuggles]

This...

Maybe I'm the exception here, but absent gapping the rack in 9-ball, the people I tend to play aren't at the level that I worry a lot about how they rack the balls...

We are talking about 8 ball here. If you can second ball break and make the corner ball then pattern racking will definitely give you a better spread to run out. 500+ will definitely have an advantage.

 

[David in FL]

We are talking about 8 ball here. If you can second ball break and make the corner ball then pattern racking will definitely give you a better spread to run out. 500+ will definitely have an advantage.

I tend to play league against maybe 525ish and above almost exclusively. Still mot worried.

 

[maha]

500 ish will have no edge by breaking for the most part.
unless great breaker and super easy tables. and i am not sure of that.

 

[Black-Balled]

I know at least one league where you're required to pattern rack.

I've played events like this too.

A simple solution for an almost problem.

 

[Not Dead Ted]

The problem has already been solved:

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[Mensabum]

How does everyone deal with opponents pattern racking against them? I've been trying to take the moral high ground but struggling to not spiral out on this topic.

If you get on their ass right out of the box, that shit won't happen, If you truly know what you're looking for that is.

 

[Mensabum]

Lots of ways to cheat but I got tired of it and quit. If I couldn't beat someone without cheating, even if they were, I didn't play.

It was funny in the bars. Not uncommon for balls that had an open pocket to have the pocket blocked when I stepped away a moment during my turn. I just opened the path again with my left hand! They couldn't very well say they had blocked that very shot during my turn at the table!

By and large I let cheaters cheat. They couldn't beat me anyway and stooping to cheating was a sign of weakness. When I met them halfway my cheating went unnoticed. If you are going to cheat, be good at it. When the other player was cheating, if my left hand got near a ball it improved my shape even if I didn't make a ball.

Fun to do things with my left hand while they were standing there watching.

Hu

Stay on the high ground. Why play if you're going to wallow in the mud?? Once a player gets that Rep, real or not, there's no going back.

 

[fastone371]

Cory's pattern is definitely not alternating stripes and solids around the outside.

He doesn't have to alternate solids and stripes, CSI just says it is acceptable as long as the bottom corners are not the same. Corey's rack is a perfectly legal CSI rack.

 

[APA Operator]

I think the complaint is not about looseness. I think it is about ball order.

Right. If the opponent loads the rack and the breaker tightens, you kill two birds with one stone.

 

[Mensabum]

I failed to mention that I play in an 8 ball league on a 7ft table. The opposing player is very talented and was able to set the rack in an order that produced a clear advantage for him

Wait. What??

 

[Mensabum]

If I see that set up I might say something but doubt it. That isn't what I call pattern racking. That's technique with spice.
First video is a classic 14:1 full rack break shot.

 

[Mensabum]

Sadly, it during league play. On a barbox. I've spoken to the league operator and had to explain what it is. I am torn. Some of my teammates say to let it go, while others say to cheat back. Don't love either option.

The dude still has to get out.
If he doesn't, lock him up, drive him crazy or run out yourself.

 

[Mensabum]

That's not cheating. I just about lost my $h17 back in the day when my opponent moved his coin an extra spot. When he refused to move it back and denied it and his friend backed him up, I ran 3 out(racks) to finish the set. Never gambled with him again. If I notice pattern racking I just mention without accusing to make sure to keep the racking random please.

Class.