Tournaments or Gambling...Which makes you a stronger player?

You have the potential to improve every time you hit a ball. However, some things help you improve faster than others.

Gambling helped me improve a lot faster than playing the tournaments of the day would have. Many of them were amateur tournaments, enter for five or ten dollars and win a trophy.

Others paid small cash. $25-$50 to win was a big local event. I made more working the same hours than I made playing a tournament. The incentive wasn't there. I could easily hustle the hustlers and make more. One place that was admittedly unusually sweet I pulled a thousand to fifteen hundred a week out of for about two years.

That is one reason the thread's question can't be answered. When you say tournament do you mean fifty to win or five hundred to a thousand or more? When you say gamble do you mean for a few dollars a game or five hundred to a thousand a set?

With the money high enough to mean something, a few hundred a night or more, I got more time on the table gambling and I made enough money at it to be a real incentive.

I played tournaments at a friend's place. Won six weeks in a row. I had to quit because the tournaments were to build his business and they were doing the opposite when people starting thinking they were just donating to me. I wasn't learning much because all I had to do was avoid catastrophic mistakes.

Two different places like this in different time periods. I almost always came up the winners side of double elimination tournaments so I knew I had another string in my bow. There was a little pressure if I went over to the losers side because it became a sudden death situation.

Depends on each person's situation so hard to make concrete statements what is best for somebody else.

I have practiced eight or ten hours with great intensity. Practice like that has great value. However, this happened maybe once in scores of times or even less often. Most of my practice was more pleasure than purpose. I wasn't learning or increasing skill to any particular degree.

Hu
 
I never had a lot of money to gamble on. Especially through the 90's. I was lucky to have a few hundred in my pocket. I was in my 20's and it was always a struggle. I gambled small it didnt matter 2 bucks, 5 bucks or races to 7 or 9 for 20. Only times i gambled higher was if i was up and playing on their money. Tournaments were local and most was like 10 buck entries lucky if the payout was 120 or 130 for first. I lived in the hills of Eastern Ky small population of about 10,000. For a couple years i moved to Lexington Ky with a population of probably about 300,000. It was a whole new ballgame. The competition was high and lot of great players. I didnt gamble long when i moved there. I knew i was out of my league. I hadnt been playing but about 4 years and you had guys like Brumback, Gary Spaeth, Bucky Bell, Dave Faver playing. Then up and coming pros coming through. I played at Steepletons. I improved more in those 2 years there than my whole life. I rarely played the tournaments. I always practiced by myself and practiced hard on the 9fts in the back room hours on end 4 or 5 days a week. I wanted to be able to play like these guys.
 
I think the answer is whatever gets you to "total immersion" more often. I think step improvement happens when you're in this space. This is what has held my game back for years. It's really hard for part-timers to see their practice game on the competitive table. It's just always such a grind. Even weekend tournaments usually involve more sitting around than playing. When is the last time you locked horns with someone for a whole weekend? You can do this when you're gambling. You can sometimes do this during a good tournament run. Doing it is the important part and the missing piece for many players.
 
Gambling has always given me way more time on the table, which in the end is what we all need.
Tournaments are great for extra pressure, and let you work on how well you can handle it.
Improvement in skill always comes down to two things, time on the table and knowledge.

All the time on the table in the world without knowledge typically will lead to plateau and all the knowledge in the world without table time will result in nothing although stroke practice without a table and visualization will make a difference when table time is limited.

When I was stuck at GTMO with no usable table to speak of , I played with tennis balls on my bed. Lol. It was more to test aiming theories than anything.
 
Which has more pressure:
  1. $20 races to five
  2. $10k seven ahead sets
  3. $50 entry tourney
Point is I think the amount matters
 
Improvement in skill always comes down to two things, time on the table and knowledge.

All the time on the table in the world without knowledge typically will lead to plateau and all the knowledge in the world without table time will result in nothing although stroke practice without a table and visualization will make a difference when table time is limited.

When I was stuck at GTMO with no usable table to speak of , I played with tennis balls on my bed. Lol. It was more to test aiming theories than anything.

Sounds like desperation! When I couldn't get out I used a chop saw to cut a dozen or so pucks to practice with. A bucket hung from a table top. When it got full I swapped buckets. A small dot on the puck kept me in tune where I was hitting the cue ball and trying to stop in an exact place let me practice speed control. When I finally saw a pool table I was surprisingly close to in stroke.

Hu
 
Sounds like desperation! When I couldn't get out I used a chop saw to cut a dozen or so pucks to practice with. A bucket hung from a table top. When it got full I swapped buckets. A small dot on the puck kept me in tune where I was hitting the cue ball and trying to stop in an exact place let me practice speed control. When I finally saw a pool table I was surprisingly close to in stroke.

Hu
Well technically I wasn't playing i was analyzing the game and proving that what i developed and worked on paper worked in the real world. Since I wasn't playing pool I did get my bowling average up to about 200 and improved my drives and golf swings at the range.
 
Well technically I wasn't playing i was analyzing the game and proving that what i developed and worked on paper worked in the real world. Since I wasn't playing pool I did get my bowling average up to about 200 and improved my drives and golf swings at the range.

I bowled a little in high school. Self taught to use the term loosely, I used a three step approach and hummed a twenty pound ball. Went to college and freshmen got the last choices. Had to take PE. It rains on a golf course a lot in the fall in South Louisiana. Doesn't rain in a bowling alley, decision made!

What I didn't bargain for was a four step approach, the only choice. This started me on the wrong foot first and when I was at the foul line my wrong foot was forward. There were about a hundred people in my bowling class and I was the worst, not excluding the little ol' lady in her eighties!

I would throw in a weird little half-step trying to get my approach "right" to me. Other times I would hit the back of my leg so squarely with the bowling ball that the leg went further than the ball!

I was bowling low 200's with three steps. When I tried to bowl after giving up on the bowling class I discovered I couldn't bowl. Not with three steps, not with four, back to the pool table. Thank goodness they didn't have a pool course for PE!

Hu
 
The only short comins of tournaments when it comes to improving your game is that you can't determine who you'll play, which means that you could go through the field without a tough match so you don't get pressure tested. You could also go two and out to superior players that you couldn't beat even in a tournament or gambling, so you didn't gain any real feed back on your game, or very little in either circumstance.

Gambling has one advantage, you pick who you play and how you play them and you always have the option to play as long as you want to.
 
Tourneys are a race to the trophy. Can you do the run? Probably not. So you make the most of it. I was talking to the guy who ran the pro shop at an open and I told him the worst that could happen was the first 2 guys put the whole 18 on me. 1, 2, gone. Frankly, that would've been better than State to me. :ROFLMAO:
 
all the best players i knew from the past all gambled. those that i knew that didnt or played for small stakes never really got past even close to shortstop speed.
and so it is with most current players. there are a few tournament champs that dont.

and it makes no sense to say you cant gamble because the other players are so good around there. you make games. few gamble even, if they are smart. those that do have to be the best or broke, nothing in between.

i played many of the best in the world. never even, and had a good record. and was one of the few always in action in the pool room if i wanted to be. and won.
 
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I played most of my pool from about '80 on. Back then tournaments didn't pay shit, you only went hoping to match-up for REAL $$. No one mentioned just plain ol fun, to me playing heads-up for your loot was WAAAAAAAAAAAY more fun. Hell, the matchin' up/negotiation process in itself could be a total trip. Fun times.
 
I bowled a little in high school. Self taught to use the term loosely, I used a three step approach and hummed a twenty pound ball. Went to college and freshmen got the last choices. Had to take PE. It rains on a golf course a lot in the fall in South Louisiana. Doesn't rain in a bowling alley, decision made!

What I didn't bargain for was a four step approach, the only choice. This started me on the wrong foot first and when I was at the foul line my wrong foot was forward. There were about a hundred people in my bowling class and I was the worst, not excluding the little ol' lady in her eighties!

I would throw in a weird little half-step trying to get my approach "right" to me. Other times I would hit the back of my leg so squarely with the bowling ball that the leg went further than the ball!

I was bowling low 200's with three steps. When I tried to bowl after giving up on the bowling class I discovered I couldn't bowl. Not with three steps, not with four, back to the pool table. Thank goodness they didn't have a pool course for PE!

Hu
20 pound ball?

I think the highest weight is 16, except for some kind of illegal custom novelty ball.
 
20 pound ball?

I think the highest weight is 16, except for some kind of illegal custom novelty ball.

This was around 1970. My local alley had balls up to twenty pounds on the rack and I remember a man bowling with a 26 pound ball who was effective with it. He used another ball for spares. No idea which of these balls were legal where and in which leagues or associations.

Hu
 
This was around 1970. My local alley had balls up to twenty pounds on the rack and I remember a man bowling with a 26 pound ball who was effective with it. He used another ball for spares. No idea which of these balls were legal where and in which leagues or associations.

Hu

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I am going to do my best to leave the bowling tangent alone for now.

Back to the original topic.

Imo neither gambling or tournaments will make you a stronger player - these pressure situations will make you a more comfortable player.

Knowledge & the practice of that know-how is what will advance anyone as a player.

All the skills in the world can be in place, but if a player is not comfortable & lets the nerves get to him or her then the "strength" will never be shown.
 

The twenty pound ball only came in rubber, not plastic. I didn't realize there was anything special about it since they had two twenties on the racks. I think just two, I couldn't always find one on a busy night. Never saw an eighteen, I don't remember about a fourteen. Twelves and sixteens were most common and there were some lighter balls.

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The guy with the 26 pound ball was tall, maybe six-six but not burly, on the slim side. He didn't seem to have any issue handling it.
 
I never felt any pressure in a tournament, all i was out was the entry. Playing $$$ heads-up gambling, imo, comes with pressure/nerves/emotion that tournament play will never match.
Exactly, especially when you are playing on your gas money to get home and food money for the night. That puts the pressure on. 😁
 
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