90-degree proposition cut shot

[straightline]

Not as a proposition shot which is what this is about. Just have a little white chalk available to put on when you replace the object ball. Best to use the white part of a stripe. And have thumb insurance.

But you also get the same effect from the dirt that a lot of pool rooms leave on the balls because they can't be bothered to clean them. Twisting the object ball works better with dirty equipment.

Well skor asked if you'd do it in a match is all.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Well skor asked if you'd do it in a match is all.

As I understood his question, it was whether I would shoot a very thin cut in a match, not whether I would try to doctor the balls in a match.

 

[straightline]

As I understood his question, it was whether I would shoot a very thin cut in a match, not whether I would try to doctor the balls in a match.

Not to drag this out. It sounded like skor wasn't sure how the shot was done. Hence my answer.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

FYI here,
The shot that Bob is shooting is not quite the shot I diagrammed in my original post in the other thread. Very close though. If you look close in my original thread the OB is slightly - ever so slightly - past the middle of the side pocket.

r/DCP

 

[iusedtoberich]

If someone bet me and gave me 100 tries to make Bob's shot once, I wouldn't even attempt. I'd just pay off.

Even with the chalk cheat Bob uses on the last shot.

Where is Mr 80% or 85% guy? ha ha.

 

[Bob Jewett]

FYI here,
The shot that Bob is shooting is not quite the shot I diagrammed in my original post in the other thread. Very close though. If you look close in my original thread the OB is slightly - ever so slightly - past the middle of the side pocket.

r/DCP

I think 90 degrees would have made your shot in the side of the pocket. Your shot was also shorter, which makes it quite a bit easier. I had several 90-degree cuts (with clean balls) that didn't reach in my setup that would have reached in yours.

I chose my setup because it is easy to duplicate exactly.

 

[iusedtoberich]

@Bob Jewett, did you learn carom before pool? Your bridge looks like a carom bridge.

 

[Bob Jewett]

If someone bet me and gave me 100 tries to make Bob's shot once, I wouldn't even attempt. I'd just pay off.

Even with the chalk cheat Bob uses on the last shot. ...

I think with a little instruction and practice, you could make the gaff shot one in 20. Seriously.

Retold: In a league I ran for while, there was a player who was roughly APA-4 level. He had seen my one pocket 93-degree cut shot. He asked me to show him how to play it. I said, "Sure," since I wasn't doing anything else. All I had to say was "More left," and "Aim fuller." Within less than 10 shots, he hit one shot that was a 110-degree cut. Yes, the object ball was chalked.

The guy had the tremendous advantage of being willing to try hitting the ball that far off-center. Many players at that level have learned -- or their arm has learned -- that they must never hit the ball more than a little from center, and they will come towards the center on every spin shot.

 

[Bob Jewett]

@Bob Jewett, did you learn carom before pool? Your bridge looks like a carom bridge.

I learned pool, carom and snooker all at the same time. The rec center had all three kinds of tables. I learned the closed bridge from Willie Mosconi. The bridge I was using in the video is Willie's bridge except the fingers are not fanned out. I think fanning is irrelevant.

 

[Chopdoc]

I practice the shot. I play it in matches. Not as tough as the shot in the video, but a lot tougher than most of my competition is willing to shoot at.

I believe I heard Dallas West saying he would push out to a very thin cut. These look impossible to a lot of players, so they would pass it back to him. Then he would shoot it in.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear. It wasn't a criticism.

I don't disagree.

In fact, I was implying the importance of the practice.

In a match you will have one chance at it.

 

[DJKeys]

Say hi to the folks at Crown for me, Bob!

-dj

 

[bbb]

I think you want a low deflection shaft for this kind of shot. Less compensation. The cue in the video is a 12.0 Revo.

did you mean 11.8mm revo?
predator does not make a 12.0 revo that i am aware of
icbw

 

[Bob Jewett]

... predator does not make a 12.0 revo that i am aware of ...

It helps to know people.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

FYI here,
The shot that Bob is shooting is not quite the shot I diagrammed in my original post in the other thread. Very close though. If you look close in my original thread the OB is slightly - ever so slightly - past the middle of the side pocket.

r/DCP

Yes, but your CB was almost a half diamond farther from the side. A 90-degree cut on your shot goes center pocket.

pj
chgo

 

[Fore Rail]

did you mean 11.8mm revo?
predator does not make a 12.0 revo that i am aware of
icbw

Put a digital caliper on a 11.8 Revo.

You will find they make a 12.0 Revo.

 

[bbb]

Put a digital caliper on a 11.8 Revo.

You will find they make a 12.0 Revo.

sadly often thats true i have been told

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Bob, it looked like you used right English on the shots you missed but left English on the shots with the smudge.

 

[Paul_#_]

The shot that the posters are referring to is from this post:

https://pad.chalkysticks.com/585fa.png
I seem to be running across this shot a lot lately. It's an extremely thin, almost backwards, shot into the side pocket. For arguments sake I put the 5B and 8B in the way so nobody could say to play it in the bottom right corner.

How do you make this shot? Extreme left english and try and thin it into the side pocket?

r/DCP

And refers to how to pocket the 1-ball in the side pocket:

I think with a little instruction and practice, you could make the gaff shot one in 20. Seriously.

I practice the shot. I play it in matches. Not as tough as the shot in the video, but a lot tougher than most of my competition is willing to shoot at.

In video you shot maybe twenty times and pocketed ball or collided with ball to pocket maybe twice?
There were several that were on path to the side pocket.
So . . . . .if you shot instead with the object ball closer to pocket, cue ball closer to object ball, maybe 80 degree cut, it could be high enough probability without gaffing the object ball to use in a game.

Advice for viewing Bob's video: Skip the first minute and then view misses until 2:45, then more misses until chalk on object ball at 6:00.

The index finger gaffing the ball:

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob, it looked like you used right English on the shots you missed but left English on the shots with the smudge.

I used extreme left on all the shots. You can tell by the return path of the cue ball. It hits the far end rail after the nine ball then the near side rail.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... In video you shot maybe twenty times and pocketed ball or collided with ball to pocket maybe twice?
There were several that were on path to the side pocket.
So . . . . .if you shot instead with the object ball closer to pocket, cue ball closer to object ball, maybe 80 degree cut, it could be high enough probability without gaffing the object ball to use in a game.
...

I shot the shot for about 30 minutes. The video is 6 minutes -- I cut out many, many whiffs.

The placement is intentionally harder than any shot you would play in a game, but if you move both balls so they are a diamond closer to the pocket, the shot starts to be reasonable. If the object ball was a ball and a half closer to the cue ball, it would also be on the edge of feasible.

I did learn a better way to aim the shot during the video. It's basically Mike Eufemia's aiming system. There is nothing new under the sun.