3 things you would change about pool

check out ultimate pool. i don't think the best pro players would find it very determinative, but it does seem to satisfy the needs for those who love 8-ball and big pockets. even i find it entertaining from time to time
the very best 8ball i ever watched was on valleys in vnea masters, some really incredible run outs from some hard spots that come up
 
Because they don't play much if any straight pool. Rotation games such as 9 and 10 ball, you only need approximate position most of the time. In straight pool you need more exact position on the key ball and break ball, which often needs more cheating the pocket.
Very true, but also when you only play on brand new cloth as they always do, it’s far more forgiving. Try hitting the rail several inches up from the pocket on cloth that’s had a week or so of play and it’s not getting in the hole like it does for pros with fresh cloth that plays like glass because those tv lights keep the table dry. Without these pristine conditions they’d be far more mortal on 4” pockets.
 
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the very best 8ball i ever watched was on valleys in vnea masters, some really incredible run outs from some hard spots that come up
Have you watched ultimate pool USA? Some of the outs are really impressive, and I'm not easily impressed. Id like to see some more pros give it a try. Its no doubt a different game, just like 9 ball and one pocket are different games. Imagine watching Gorst vs Filler in barbox 8 ball.
 
1 - Make all new cloth play like broken in cloth. Very few people enjoy the first week of new cloth and it's really a different game

2 - Alternate break for everything. To come in line with all major sports, closer matches, increase fairness and to reduce overall importance of the break shot and reward overall ability more

3 - 4 inch pockets as maximum size for all professional play and 4.5 standard for amateur. Misses create pressure and excitement

Honorable mention to using chess clocks to manage match times and slow play. Ie each player starts with 30 mins and add 30 secs every time the players swap chairs. Better than a shot clock and can be run without a ref

What about your 3?
1 _ get back to 2 shot roll-out ( i think that's what it's called) in 9 ball....
2_ jump shots NOT ALLOWED
3_No slop shots-call your shots-all games
 
disappear bar tables
only jump with your playing cue, cannot use your break cue to jump
allow pushout after break, ball in hand in kitchen after foul and spot balls pocketed if foul occurs
What is this obsession with ball in hand only in the kitchen? Allows for ticky-tacky intentional fouls when opponent has balls only in the kitchen. Totally disagree. Fouls are to be punished not rewarded in certain circumstances.
 
What is this obsession with ball in hand only in the kitchen? Allows for ticky-tacky intentional fouls when opponent has balls only in the kitchen. Totally disagree. Fouls are to be punished not rewarded in certain circumstances.

give opponent the option of kicking at object ball of having lowest number object ball spotted if all balls are in the kitchen
 
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2 things I would change in billiard if I was god :)

no. 1: tips that need no chalk are working perfectly

no. 2: tables where you can set the pocket size freely from min to max just by a switch and within a few seconds
 
Promote interest and increased participation in 3 cushion billiards.

Standardize the rules for all the different recreational leagues and
please stop with making slop a legally pocketed OB in 8 ball (APA).
At the same time, include 10 ball as a game (8, 9 & 10 ball leagues).

Time clock adherence and the person leaving the table activates a
30 secs. digital clock countdown that the incoming player has to
complete their shot within or else forfeit the table to their opponent.
 
Have you watched ultimate pool USA? Some of the outs are really impressive, and I'm not easily impressed. Id like to see some more pros give it a try. Its no doubt a different game, just like 9 ball and one pocket are different games. Imagine watching Gorst vs Filler in barbox 8 ball.
i havent its the optics of the entire thing that make me not want to watch
uniform look, jerseys and slacks, yuck
highly polished balls you see the glare of the light on
the whole layout like an area doesnt make me want to watch

to see filler and gorst play a set on a diamond bar table would be great to watch if everything wasnt so shiney
 
i havent its the optics of the entire thing that make me not want to watch
uniform look, jerseys and slacks, yuck
highly polished balls you see the glare of the light on
the whole layout like an area doesnt make me want to watch

to see filler and gorst play a set on a diamond bar table would be great to watch if everything wasnt so shiney
I see why you don’t like the looks. I don’t like the obnoxious shot clock and some of the rules. But it is still worth a watch IMO. You will see some good bar box 8 ball.

I may have mentioned it before but I like watching the Seco Varani invitational on YouTube. They posted the last several years. The field average is about a 675 FargoRate with several mid 700 guys. Good Upper Midwest bar box 8 ball on Valleys with slow cloth. Winner breaks. Only downside is some very slow play from some. The 10 second ff on YouTube helps somewhat. The proponents of a short shot click might not like it. But the rules that allow real 8 ball defensive play and good players sometimes lead to slower play. And some do just look em over a lot.
 
to see filler and gorst play a set on a diamond bar table would be great to watch if everything wasnt so shiney

fedor played quite a lot of bar table in his dog year with the WPA ban, the amount of missed shots probably in single digits. doesn't constitute fun watching for me. kind of true with justin bergman and tom cousins in ultimate pool too. one dry break can determine. somehow mid tier players are more fun to watch playing that game, and ultimate pool does a good job letting all sorts of players play
 
fedor played quite a lot of bar table in his dog year with the WPA ban, the amount of missed shots probably in single digits. doesn't constitute fun watching for me. kind of true with justin bergman and tom cousins in ultimate pool too. one dry break can determine. somehow mid tier players are more fun to watch playing that game, and ultimate pool does a good job letting all sorts of players play
this is the match i made reference to
teams average of 650 speed players and up

pros arent too fun to watch i agree
 
What about your 3?

the three things i would change, in order

1. bigger pockets for amateurs and bangers like me. 90s pool was better. They moved the cue ball in a more exciting way. I prefer to play on buckets.

2. penalty for slow play is an automatic beheading

3. no jump cue allowed
 
Standardize the rules for 9 ball.
Just go with the rules that are used for the Mosconi Cup. They are great for a fun, easy to understand game that casuals can enjoy. Including the push-out ('the very first shot after the break you don't have to hit a ball' - easy to understand if it was commonly seen). Instead various leagues play various rules that confuse just about everyone!

If you want to play call-pocket with stricter rules then play 10 ball.
 
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