Diamond Red Label, Blue Label, Etc.
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I was under the assumption the blue oval came with a change in the ball release mechanics. There used to be a lot of thin wires that was removed with an electronic release.
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While the initial red label tables rails played a little wonky, the correction that occurred with rails on blue labels remedied those issues.
I find it amusing that you take every opportunity to cry about this subject. Most people on this forum, anyone that’s played this game for any great period of time, started on Brunswick’s. They become used to it, and therefore leaves people needing to adjust when playing on a Diamond. That’s the real difference between great players and also rans, great players adjust, also rans cry and blame equipment. I find that diamond rails rebound truer than super speeds ever did. I also find that while they are affected by humidity as any tables rails are, they are less affected by it than super speeds.
You just showing your lack of Knowledge.
I opened the first room in Denver in Aurora CO early 90's, can't remember Exactly but we had At least sixteen Brand New 9' Red Labels installed by Tonys Hustlers, great worker/setup man.
The rails were wrong and the only way I could bank ANY ball with confidence was to pound it like Thorpe.
Shit rails/wrong angle/obj ball got ''pinched'' downward because of the poor design, the structure it self was ok, also no rake holders, I had to drill pilot holes in the legs then installed a rest peg for the rake handle.
reading this I feel like i'm listening to one of the jerky boys episodes
There is zero on my post that was not factually correct. DCP is now armed with factual answers. For the blue label, I did say "Although not nearly enough, IMO". IMO being the key word.
I never claimed to be a great player, or even an also-ran.
I disagree that Diamonds are less sensitive to environmental changes. IMO, they are way more sensitive than superspeed rails. I play on blue labels way more than GC's these days. Some rooms seem to bounce great, other rooms seem to bounce like a superball being thrown by a major league pitcher against a wall. In the GC days, I had never experienced that much variation from room to room.
I've seen your videos, you can play. He can't. You'd comfortably give him the 7 out.
I just moved into a new home - I have a choice of Diamond new or older GC. -I went with a GC 3 - waiting for the install - It is all about personal choice - Probably better for any of us to just say that we prefer the play of one or the other table brand - IDK which is actually right or wrong - the two brands just played different- so no arguments - just preferences based on personal taste.
Really? I guess you are not up to speed on this conversation with DCP. If you were you would realize I was making a joke.
I personally own, in my pool room, in my house, a 9’ Diamond Red Label and my homeroom in town has red’s and blue’s. I am quite familiar with reality, at least my reality. But I appreciate your attempt at an insult.
Not my intent.... I usually respond Only to the OP, not the evolving discussion.
Fair enough.
Who cares about the rails, it’s all about the break! Am I right?!?!
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NO....
Again I thought we were good. Yet you go against your statement, “ I usually respond Only to the OP, not the evolving discussion.” .
I don’t have the time nor the desire to dig up ALL the DCP threads on this topic, but, you would be well served to A. Realize I was joking based on a continuing troll by DCP and B. Lighten up Francis!
Ok....
There’s nothing wrong with preference. I played on GC’s most of my life and like them. Now I have no access to them as where I play has all Diamonds, so I made the adjustment
. The point of my original post is the endless whine of a particular individual here who can’t leave it as a preference, but feels a compulsive need to bash Diamonds because he can’t, or won’t make the adjustment to them. I just find it unnecessary. Yeah they’re different, but they’re also a quality table that has been the industry standard since Brunswick abandoned Pool essentially.
I fully agree and my biggest gripe with Brunswick has always been that they had two major opportunities in the early and mid 60s and again in the mid 80s to truly help make pool a mainstream social / recreational game here together with a multi corporate backed competitive “sport”.There’s nothing wrong with preference. I played on GC’s most of my life and like them. Now I have no access to them as where I play has all Diamonds, so I made the adjustment
This would have involved creating what we see was done in Europe with devoted pool schools for youth across America and billiard “clubs” that fostered the advancement of the game in a way that responsible parents would actually encourage youth participation in pool.
It was possible, and if done right, could still stand here today. Instead Brunswick ‘s meager contribution to promoting a mainstream image of pool was to run a few ads in the 60s showing families enjoying the game so that they could boost their home table sales market.
Brunswick took the route of signing up a few big names in pool to promote their pool room table sales and to lay out some money for top pro tournaments. They never attempted to seriously reach down and develop any lasting true American culture for the game.
Whenever the “pro” pool circuit would slow down and the room openings would dwindle- bc no one ever truly developed mainstream pool - Brunswick would go hide out into other recreational areas and hope for another pool resurgence to capitalize for themselves.
I know this is dreaming - not the reality of how corporations act - but think of what could have been today if it were done differently - Brunswick was the one company that could have made the difference - but short term profit solutions rule and much longer term future profit investments were never in the picture for Brunswick - so they end up in China with years of crappy products and a name nobody really cares about anymore.
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Very astute post and you’re correct on every point. Brunswick is like a lot of companies that expanded and diversified and had their hands in numerous different products and services. Like a lot of companies that did this, they lost their way due to corporate greed of the bean counters that large corporations employ and in the process they completely forgot the one thing that initially put them on the map, the world of pool and billiards.
Your mention of what happened in Europe is on point as well. Imagine if they had done what you mentioned here in the USA. Perhaps an American born sport would have thrived instead of slowly dying and being dominated by players from other countries that had a little more forethought. Instead they became what they became, and pool in this country became a joke that it is now, consisting of mostly gaff game barbox players, playing on the fisher price tables that weren’t even initially invented by the billiard industry, but by amusement companies that made pinball machines and such, it’s truly a shame.
The biggest shame on Brunswick is that they did not learn anything from the 1960s - as pool really slowed down into the 70s and rooms closed in droves.
Having a second chance in 1986 with COM movie - they failed to truly get behind pool youth programs in any serious manner- so they died another slow death as the initial wave of pool resurgence slowly withered. Two strikes and they were out!
A true leader in that firm would have pushed for longer term investment - nope - all over again they just chased quick table sales until the bottom started to drop off- get it while you can mentality.
Having a second chance in 1986 with COM movie - they failed to truly get behind pool youth programs in any serious manner- so they died another slow death as the initial wave of pool resurgence slowly withered. Two strikes and they were out!
A true leader in that firm would have pushed for longer term investment - nope - all over again they just chased quick table sales until the bottom started to drop off- get it while you can mentality.