Diamond Red Label, Blue Label, Etc.

[straightline]

I don't understand, does he watch the video and then make a ball on the break?

Didn't he say it's been 4 months?

 

[boyersj]

The change from the blue pointed logo to the blue oval logo was just a logo change. The pointed logos were more difficult to install, and I believe some were also cracking in the field. There was no design change to the table itself that corresponded to this logo change. But correct, the blue oval is the newest.

I was under the assumption the blue oval came with a change in the ball release mechanics. There used to be a lot of thin wires that was removed with an electronic release.


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[Frosty]

Since day 1, Diamond cushions have played like shit. They bounced the ball harder than every other table, and the rebound angle was more acute (shorter) than any other table. You may have seen my posts over the years calling Daimond tables pin-ball machines. This was from their start in about 1990 through about 2010.

After literally 20 years of players complaining, Diamond finally decided to do something about it. They got Glen from here (who was an employee/contractor of theirs at the time) to help the tables play better. He changed the bevel angle of the wood rail that the cushion glues to. The cushion was still the same, just its mounting was changed.

That made the tables play slightly less bouncy and slightly less short than before. (although not nearly enough, IMO).

To distinguish between the old design and the new design, the color of the logo on the foot rail was changed from red to blue.

While the initial red label tables rails played a little wonky, the correction that occurred with rails on blue labels remedied those issues.

I find it amusing that you take every opportunity to cry about this subject. Most people on this forum, anyone that’s played this game for any great period of time, started on Brunswick’s. They become used to it, and therefore leaves people needing to adjust when playing on a Diamond. That’s the real difference between great players and also rans, great players adjust, also rans cry and blame equipment. I find that diamond rails rebound truer than super speeds ever did. I also find that while they are affected by humidity as any tables rails are, they are less affected by it than super speeds.

 

[Island Drive]

Who cares about the rails, it’s all about the break! Am I right?!?!

You just showing your lack of Knowledge.
I opened the first room in Denver in Aurora CO early 90's, can't remember Exactly but we had At least sixteen Brand New 9' Red Labels installed by Tonys Hustlers, great worker/setup man.
The rails were wrong and the only way I could bank ANY ball with confidence was to pound it like Thorpe.

Shit rails/wrong angle/obj ball got ''pinched'' downward because of the poor design, the structure it self was ok, also no rake holders, I had to drill pilot holes in the legs then installed a rest peg for the rake handle.

 

[dumisin]

What does all of this label stuff mean?

And will my new Diamond Professional be a red label? blue label? some other kind of label?

What's the difference here?

r/DCP

reading this I feel like i'm listening to one of the jerky boys episodes

 

[iusedtoberich]

While the initial red label tables rails played a little wonky, the correction that occurred with rails on blue labels remedied those issues.

I find it amusing that you take every opportunity to cry about this subject. Most people on this forum, anyone that’s played this game for any great period of time, started on Brunswick’s. They become used to it, and therefore leaves people needing to adjust when playing on a Diamond. That’s the real difference between great players and also rans, great players adjust, also rans cry and blame equipment. I find that diamond rails rebound truer than super speeds ever did. I also find that while they are affected by humidity as any tables rails are, they are less affected by it than super speeds.

There is zero on my post that was not factually correct. DCP is now armed with factual answers. For the blue label, I did say "Although not nearly enough, IMO". IMO being the key word.

I never claimed to be a great player, or even an also-ran.

I disagree that Diamonds are less sensitive to environmental changes. IMO, they are way more sensitive than superspeed rails. I play on blue labels way more than GC's these days. Some rooms seem to bounce great, other rooms seem to bounce like a superball being thrown by a major league pitcher against a wall. In the GC days, I had never experienced that much variation from room to room.

 

[u12armresl]

There is zero on my post that was not factually correct. DCP is now armed with factual answers. For the blue label, I did say "Although not nearly enough, IMO". IMO being the key word.

I never claimed to be a great player, or even an also-ran.

I disagree that Diamonds are less sensitive to environmental changes. IMO, they are way more sensitive than superspeed rails. I play on blue labels way more than GC's these days. Some rooms seem to bounce great, other rooms seem to bounce like a superball being thrown by a major league pitcher against a wall. In the GC days, I had never experienced that much variation from room to room.

I've seen your videos, you can play. He can't. You'd comfortably give him the 7 out.

 

[mikemosconi]

While the initial red label tables rails played a little wonky, the correction that occurred with rails on blue labels remedied those issues.

I find it amusing that you take every opportunity to cry about this subject. Most people on this forum, anyone that’s played this game for any great period of time, started on Brunswick’s. They become used to it, and therefore leaves people needing to adjust when playing on a Diamond. That’s the real difference between great players and also rans, great players adjust, also rans cry and blame equipment. I find that diamond rails rebound truer than super speeds ever did. I also find that while they are affected by humidity as any tables rails are, they are less affected by it than super speeds.

I just moved into a new home - I have a choice of Diamond new or older GC. -I went with a GC 3 - waiting for the install - It is all about personal choice - Probably better for any of us to just say that we prefer the play of one or the other table brand - IDK which is actually right or wrong - the two brands just played different- so no arguments - just preferences based on personal taste.

 

[bbb]

I don't understand, does he watch the video and then make a ball on the break?

he watches the video and then his balls break!!!!!!!!!

i fixed your post for you....

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

You just showing your lack of Knowledge.
I opened the first room in Denver in Aurora CO early 90's, can't remember Exactly but we had At least sixteen Brand New 9' Red Labels installed by Tonys Hustlers, great worker/setup man.
The rails were wrong and the only way I could bank ANY ball with confidence was to pound it like Thorpe.

Shit rails/wrong angle/obj ball got ''pinched'' downward because of the poor design, the structure it self was ok, also no rake holders, I had to drill pilot holes in the legs then installed a rest peg for the rake handle.

Really? I guess you are not up to speed on this conversation with DCP. If you were you would realize I was making a joke.

I personally own, in my pool room, in my house, a 9’ Diamond Red Label and my homeroom in town has red’s and blue’s. I am quite familiar with reality, at least my reality. But I appreciate your attempt at an insult.