Careful Criticizing CSI Org

[mikepage]

It makes zero difference. A player will improve the same on a bucket table or a tight table. I'd even venture to say they might improve faster on a bucket table because they can be more aggressive with shotmaking and position.

I agree with the faster on a bucket table. Tighter tables are often too EASY in an important respect; your mistakes get a free ride too far into the game.

Imagine two 500s playing on a tight table.

Most of the time it doesn't matter if you choose the wrong suit.
It doesn't matter if you choose bad patterns
It doesn't matter if you play crappy safeties
It doesn't matter if you miss
It doesn't matter if you miss two-way shot opportunities

This is because the table is tough for your opponent too and he is unable to punish these mistakes until late into the game. That free ride for your mistakes slows learning for you.

On a table with bigger pockets, that 500 opponent punishes your mistakes better. And that's good for your development. You're playing pool more like good players play it.

 

[lfigueroa]

It makes zero difference. A player will improve the same on a bucket table or a tight table. I'd even venture to say they might improve faster on a bucket table because they can be more aggressive with shotmaking and position.

I think that if you're on bucket tables you will get better but not so much when you have to play on tight equipment.

Whereas the player used to tighter equipment will always be able to adjust to bucket tables. The guy used to bucket tables playing on tighter equipment, not so much.

Lou Figueroa

 

[iusedtoberich]

I think that if you're on bucket tables you will get better but not so much when you have to play on tight equipment.

Whereas the player used to tighter equipment will always be able to adjust to bucket tables. The guy used to bucket tables playing on tighter equipment, not so much.

Lou Figueroa

Devil’s advocate…. Let’s say a player grew up on 3.5” pockets with deep shelves and stupid miter angles. He learned the best way to win is to bunt the balls around until there are 2 balls left in an easy pattern. Or, to blast at the 9 before then.

Get him on a bucket table with an experienced player on it.

The player that normally plays on the buckets might run racks on him. The other guy will be afraid of his own shadow to shoot. I’m sure you’ve seen this playing one hole over the years as styles changed.

 

[lfigueroa]

Devil’s advocate…. Let’s say a player grew up on 3.5” pockets with deep shelves and stupid miter angles. He learned the best way to win is to bunt the balls around until there are 2 balls left in an easy pattern. Or, to blast at the 9 before then.

Get him on a bucket table with an experienced player on it.

The player that normally plays on the buckets might run racks on him. The other guy will be afraid of his own shadow to shoot. I’m sure you’ve seen this playing one hole over the years as styles changed.

Well, you’ve painted and extreme scenario which obviously isn’t what I’m talking about.

Lou Figueroa

 

[yankee817299]

Bottom line is that at the BCA Nationals everyone had a good time playing pool. With the new format of a minimum of 5 matches and the tables being toned down a bit, all level's of players enjoiyed themselves. That has to be good for the pool world. The different divisions helps keep the player strength well grouped and everyone is playing on the same equipment.

 

[maha]

there is an in between size that works well not just, tight and buckets.

getting position is usually more important than making the shot into the hole if you think about it.

and very tight pockets severely limit ability to move the cue ball around in longer distances, for anyone but a very good player and it hurts them as well.

 

[spartan]

Publicly disparaging the table sponsor, management, and arbitration?

shucks, I don't know, what would you call it?

I think dirty laundry relates more to personal private matters. All of what you mention is work/ business related

 

[spartan]

Sad but true



Why does CSI not have representation on this forum, if they do, why do they never respond to criticism or posts about how they handle these situations...except like a small child, and ban them for expressing their OWN views. Pathetic

If I remember correctly, decades ago Ozzy posted here. Some members complained about the CSI PPV stream , he responded poorly knocking some members and folks here went down hard on him. I think after that he quit never posted (though he may have posted under other username). He deserved it. He may be nice guy to his friends family but came across as a douche here

 

[BasementDweller]

I can’t understand the logic, here. How would a table that demands tighter position play and less margin for error actually make a player worse than a table with pockets that will accept any shot? Think about the two extremes, would it be harder for a pitcher to hit a milk jug or a minivan from 25 feet? Would it benefit the pitcher to train for a milk jug hitting competition by throwing at a minivan, or training for a minivan hitting competition by throwing at the milk jug?

Because bad players have more fun on easy equipment, so they play more pool. The whole table difficulty conversation is totally binary. You are either super serious about your game or you aren't. Most players aren't. So the game being fun is more important than the game being demanding.

 

[JPB2]

Bottom line is that at the BCA Nationals everyone had a good time playing pool. With the new format of a minimum of 5 matches and the tables being toned down a bit, all level's of players enjoiyed themselves. That has to be good for the pool world. The different divisions helps keep the player strength well grouped and everyone is playing on the same equipment.

Yeah, the tables aren’t ideal. I prefer other tables and pocket size isn’t the main reason. That said, I like the event and had a good time. We have all played on worse. None of the matches I lost had anything to do with the table. I think sometimes people get too concerned about the conditions and shark themselves. You just have to compete on the tables at the given tournament.

 

[garczar]

Well, you’ve painted and extreme scenario which obviously isn’t what I’m talking about.

Lou Figueroa

You ever sweat any of his Diamond saga?? His life is an extreme scenario.

 

[garczar]

Yeah, the tables aren’t ideal. I prefer other tables and pocket size isn’t the main reason. That said, I like the event and had a good time. We have all played on worse. None of the matches I lost had anything to do with the table. I think sometimes people get too concerned about the conditions and shark themselves. You just have to compete on the tables at the given tournament.

Back in my bar-bouncin days most places had shit for equipment. You just adjusted. Its a big advantage for a better player 'cause they understand what shitty cloth/crummy balls/warped slate does and how to adjust for it.