Push shot foul?

I can't believe I've been watching pro pool for so long and never seen a player actually shoot this shot. It's not often we get these rare occurrences.
 
Check Dr Dave’s site for videos. And the one above. Push shot and double hit are different. Dr Dave’s site linked a Mike page video too.
Thank you. I whatched and I changed my perception as slowmo video made me understand the physics.
Cue didnt have prolongued contact nor double hit.
When balls are frozen they behave as one object so they move together.
So, not a foul.
 
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I can't believe I've been watching pro pool for so long and never seen a player actually shoot this shot. It's not often we get these rare occurrences.

same. it looks mental. doesn't matter that i've seen dr daves videos and know the rule, it's still one of the wackiest shots i've seen in pro pool
 
To me, it sounds like there is a slight difference in the sound of the shot played by Dr. Dave and the shot played by Quinten.

Dr. Dave's shot is more muffled.

Quinten's shot has more of a hollow sound.

Could just be my ears though.
As a rule of thumb, I never use my ears to judge a shot because it can be too unreliable. Part of that is because I shoot with an older tinky Revo that can make very routine shots sound like miscues sometimes. Circumstance, observation and ball action should be more than sufficient.
 
If the balls are frozen (which appears to be the case) then it's a legal hit. The referees and Karl Boyes were probably confused, partly because of switching between games and short memories (Karl actually played a fair bit of English pool after he "retired"), and partly because this isn't too common a situation.

The discussion in this thread is quite interesting. I have heard and understand, time and again, arguments that the touching ball rule in snooker/English pool/Ultimate Pool is less controversial. It is indeed less controversial in its implementation - but it is completely illogical, especially in pool. The WPA rule makes sense and is (or should be) easy to implement with a professional referee, a knowledgeable amateur referee, or two knowledgeable players.
 
I can't believe I've been watching pro pool for so long and never seen a player actually shoot this shot. It's not often we get these rare occurrences.
I remember watching a bank pool match a couple years ago where this came up, I think w/Billy Thorpe. Or maybe Sky. He asked for rule clarification before shooting, and was amused to be told he could hit right through it..."really? I can shoot like this?"....and proceeded to make a cross-side. Probably US Open Banks. (It would have been YouTube, so it's likely out there somewhere.)
 
Karl is good with social media!!!!! hahahahaha


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This is a great clip of why it’s not a double hit but it doesn’t show the difference between a legal shot into a frozen ball and an illegal push shot. Lots of people apparently (including Karl Boyes it seems) think it’s a push. Do you know of a clip showing the actual illegal push technique?
Ray Hinton made a pretty good clip just now.

 
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