Yapp’s Controversial Tournament-Winning Shot in the 8-Ball World Championship … Was it a Foul?

jbart65 said:
Personally I don't think any player should call a foul on himself with a ref present unless it is extremely obvious and the ref somehow misses it ( a playing touching a CB with his tip prematurely, etc). I don't think I would even allow it if I were a governing authority.

Players should not be expected to have DrDave level of scientific knowledge of CB reactions. Others here disagree, and I respect that. I just don't like the attacks on Yapp's integrity as if he's a untrustworthy or immoral player.
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Agree 100%. Unless a player is 100% certain that they committed a foul, they should never be expected to call a foul on themselves.

I don't agree that one needs any comprehension of physics to understand these topics, but unless they have encountered countless situations like these, they do need training. Some referees, as Bob Jewett has attested, do not want that training and that's OK with me. Not every person must aspire to rise to the top of their profession. That said, however, in our sport, those referees who do not should be denied the most important assignments in pro competition.

To me, the physics tend to confirm what most really experienced players already understand. I cannot recall a single instance in which one of Dr Dave's videos caused me to change my mind about a "foul or no foul" call. Nonetheless, his videos have tended to verify and add insights of value.

By the way, let's not compare pool to golf. As there are others who track play at pro golf events, a golfer that fails to call a penalty on himself during a round can possibly be expelled from a tournament for having signed an incorrect scorecard. It's an incredibly severe penalty and it acts as a great deterrent to inadherence to the rules. Retroactive treatments do not apply to pool. Nobody has ever been expelled from a tournament retroactively for not having called a foul on him/herself during a tournament.
 
sjm said:
Agree 100%. Unless a player is 100% certain that they committed a foul, they should never be expected to call a foul on themselves.
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I think the rule should be stated either always yes or always no. The contestant should not be allowed to call a foul on himself. He shoud be able appeal the decision though. It just gives the opponent another way to shark the game. If a contestant can make the decision...do away with referees.
 
The ref's at these tour stops generally do a GREAT job considering their lack of serious instruction. People here need to relax and realize that. AZ has become ground-zero for whipping dead horses.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I think the rule should be stated either always yes or always no. The contestant should not be allowed to call a foul on himself. He shoud be able appeal the decision though. It just gives the opponent another way to shark the game. If a contestant can make the decision...do away with referees.
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I couldn’t disagree more. Often only the player knows he fouled. An ever so slight feathering of the CB. Brushing an OB with you arm as you stand up. Or the player knows with certainty they fouled with a double hit. In all those situations IMO the player can and should call the foul.

A close hit on an OB with a referee is harder and I would understand not second guessing the ref, but to suggest a player can knowingly foul as in the first paragraph and shrug it off as “the ref missed it” is a step in the wrong direction, IMO.
 
fuggles said:
If it was a bad hit why is the cue ball spinning to the right? I would expect cue induced cue ball spin if he hit the solid first.
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have you never used inside spin to make the cue ball go where the cut induced spin doesnt want it to
the amount of right hand spin he put on the cue ball was more than enough to counter act the amount taken off from the cue ball cut induced spin
jmho
icbw
 
bbb said:
have you never used inside spin to make the cue ball go where the cut induced spin doesnt want it to
the amount of right hand spin he put on the cue ball was more than enough to counter act the amount taken off from the cue ball cut induced spin
jmho
icbw
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That's bad logic - panic logic with the 4 there. To me it's just confirmation this "feel" crap only goes so far.
 
straightline said:
That's bad logic - panic logic with the 4 there. To me it's just confirmation this "feel" crap only goes so far.
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could you explain alittle more
whats do you not agree with in my post
bbb said:
have you never used inside spin to make the cue ball go where the cut induced spin doesnt want it to
the amount of right hand spin he put on the cue ball was more than enough to counter act the amount taken off from the cue ball cut induced spin
jmho
icbw
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I don't think Yapp's shot qualifies as an everyday shot in an everyday event. The look on his face speaks loudly about what he thought about the shot. I have seen 3C players get a referee called scoring shot only to intentionally foul the next shot turning the inning over to their opponent. We are talking about maybe one of the top 5 players in the world right now so wouldn't you expect him to know if he made a bad hit? If he had called a foul on himself, It would have sent a message to all the other pro's that HE believes in professionalism.
 
i look at it like i am playing someone for money in the pool room. and he hits the same shot yapp did and i call it a foul on him because the cue ball went in a certain direction after the hit which was too close for me to call.

who thinks i am going to get paid.

same as a tournament, the ref makes their call based on how the hit looked to them..
 
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