And the #1 guy on that list publicly praised in complete awe to the #2 guy about the number 626
Orcollo might try to beat the 626 record
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And the #1 guy on that list publicly praised in complete awe to the #2 guy about the number 626
lol, right?
The correct list would be
1. JS
2. Thorsten
3. Niels
4. Filler
5. Anyone you put here would be the longest of long shots.
2 and 3 are definitely interchangeable
dean just offered 100k, lets get the news to dennis already
The runs out there to date were shot on tougher equipment, under less than ideal conditions, and considerably shorter time frames than the months it took JS.
Given the same kind of conditions and equipment and sufficient time, I believe there are several guys that would have a chance. JS has proven it's doable and there are several 14.1 players out that are better players.
Lou Figueroa
Like I said, no one other than JS has tried it with perfect conditions.
So, maybe someone will go after it and maybe not. You have to have a certain amount of OCD to keep trying but I think many 14.1 players are wired that way to begin with, lol.
Lou Figueroa
For a modern-day-high-run-on-a-Diamond-tour-cut-pockets, Filler's 285 may be.
But for any brand of table with tour-cut pockets, I still have to say Thomas Engert's 491, which was executed on a Dynamic-II table with tour-cut pockets. Folks have utterly glossed over and look past the impact of Engert's 491 -- for many, many years, it was the only near-miss to the 526 that stood the test of years of scrutiny, and ticked/checked many boxes: 9-foot table? Check. Tighter pockets? Check. Same type of conditions that the pro encounters on tour? Check. Etc.
I wonder what became of Engert? For a while there, he was winning everything, and then <poof!> he's gone, never to be heard from again.
-Sean <-- asks himself, "what's with Germany and those left-handers?"
Sean -- what is your source of information on Engert's 491? I tried to learn about it a number of weeks ago, but no one responded -- when, where, table details, spectators, etc.?
right-Efren won the biggest SP event in years after playing the game 3 weeks-Came in 2nd in the next one @ Roseland. Manalo won one too-had no idea how to play 'right' according to the experts. Orcollo, Melling, Lee Van amongst the high run leaders at the DCC-NEVER play the game.
Alex never plays the game yet confidently bet 4-8k vs Schmidt to 300 at the DCC when JS was at his peak and beat him 2 nights in a row.
Open your eyes.
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Thomas Engert's fan website (he used to have one in German, a la Ralf Souquet). Also, I bumped into Thomas at one of the early Dragon Promotion 14.1 championships (back in early 2000s) and asked him. Sadly, he doesn't have that website anymore, but there may be copies in the wayback machine. The closest I can find to a player profile that even mentions his 491 is this: http://propool.info/players/thomas-engert.htm (I know, not helpful).
-Sean
The list of the first player to run 1000 balls is this.
It ain't gonna happen. Only a couple people have had verified 500. 1000 ain't happening.
OTOH only ONE guy made a dedicated effort to beat Mosconi and HE DID IT. JS imo made more attempts than the entire pool world combined had in the previous 25 years, perhaps not counting the DCC. Nevertheless, I agree 1000 aint happening.
Pretty sure any top player capable of running hundreds has attempted to break the previous record.
Plenty of players practice 14.1 and no one has ever got to 250 only to put down their cue to say, “Well that’s enough for me today.”
O yeah, I saw JS do just that at Grover's Billiards 'as JJ' in the early part of this century. Granted, he might be the only one to do something like that.
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There is such a thing as a tournament-savvy (read: challenge-match-savvy) player, vs. a practice-savvy player. Dennis is most certainly, unarguably, the former. It is arguable that John Schmidt may be more of the latter -- a practice-savvy player, much like Mike Eufemia was. History is rife with stories how, in practice, Mike Eufemia would run hundreds at a clip (including the unofficial/unsanctioned 625 that he's famous for), yet he fell apart in tournaments and wouldn't even place. I don't think John Schmidt is that bad, because he at least has one of the Dragon Promotion 14.1 Championships on his belt.
While it can be said that the sharp-shooters like Dennis Orcullo, Chris Melling, Jayson Shaw, Joshua Filler, et al. have an established pedigree in 14.1 tournaments having little to no experience, it can also be said that the experienced 14.1 players have seen things (puzzles on the table to solve) that the sharp-shooters haven't seen, and the sharp-shooters would thus "wild-cueball their way" around the table, introducing a wildcard in their game (loose cue ball) that will in time get them in trouble.
-Sean
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Yes, plenty of players play the DCC high run challenge every year. But for many of the top pros, this is the one time a year they even think about straight pool. There is just no incentive for the best players in the world (SVB, Shaw, Chang Jung Lin, the Kos, et al) to put much effort into playing straight pool or breaking high run records, because there is no money in it. There are maybe a handful of 14.1 tournaments per year -- even if you won them all, you wouldn't see a big pay day.
I think we need to stop kidding ourselves about this record. 526 wasn't even the best that Mosconi could do -- he didn't leave the table on a miss, he left it because he literally just decided to stop playing. It was an exhibition event, he shot until he didn't feel like it anymore, and then he went home. (Yes, he got to 526 and then said, 'Well, that's enough for me today.') There was nothing magical about the number 526 then, just like there's nothing magical about 626 now.
If someone were to offer $1MM to the first player to run 1000, I have no doubt that someone would. Anyone who looks at Chang Jung Lin and doesn't think that if he put his mind to it, he could run 1000 is kidding themselves. In his prime, Efren certainly could have done it as well -- as one of the other posters said, he won the top 14.1 tournament around with only a few weeks experience playing the game.
Ugh.. did you make this name for trolling purposes? I only semi-accuse you because you’re new with 4 posts and already pulling out the “Mosconi didn’t miss on 526” lol. He did miss.
And I’m sure many pros have “tried” they just didn’t do what John did and announce it and dedicate months of time to it.
I agree on 1000 and I can basically guarantee it will happen someday unless pool just disappears
Well...I guess he missed on 527 not 526
Concerning that part in bolded red, wrong. No less than Mosconi himself, in his "Willie's Game: An Autobiography", on page 167, stated that the run ended on a miss.
See, this is the UrbanLegendDistortion[TM] (or, cognitive dissonance) that occurs when people continually add to a legend over time due to their own internal bias.
But I do agree that the more money you put in a bounty, the more [talented] players you'll attract to it. There's that magical dollar threshold, where certain players who normally would never look, suddenly twitch their nose to the aroma of money, and turn their head towards the bounty or tournament.
-Sean
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It seems that there are conflicting reports from even Mosconi himself on whether he in fact missed or quit. I've never seen that book that you quoted, so thanks for sharing. But in this video interview, you can see Mosconi himself say that he never missed, but quit voluntarily: https://www.youtube.com/embed/qRKw56oAA-E (at ~7:18 in the video). Whatever the truth is, whether he missed or not, isn't really the point, though.
The substantive point is: 526 is not a magic number, and whether he missed or not, I don't believe it was even the best Mosconi could do. Mosconi didn't set out to set a high run record -- he just sort of continued playing after winning a match. The records you see in other sports like the fastest mile, or the long jump record, etc, are not at all comparable to the 526 record, since in these sports, the top pros are constantly actively trying to break the record, and there is a financial reward for breaking it. But hardly any of the top pros have ever really tried to break the 14.1 record because there's no reason to.
The substantive point is: 526 is not a magic number, and whether he missed or not, I don't believe it was even the best Mosconi could do. Mosconi didn't set out to set a high run record -- he just sort of continued playing after winning a match. The records you see in other sports like the fastest mile, or the long jump record, etc, are not at all comparable to the 526 record, since in these sports, the top pros are constantly actively trying to break the record, and there is a financial reward for breaking it. But hardly any of the top pros have ever really tried to break the 14.1 record because there's no reason to.
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526 was definitely a magic number. Though there are reportedly 3 or 4 higher runs physically made without a miss this was the only one with proof. People have tried to beat it over the years and some really thought it just couldn’t happen for some reason. But now it’s 626. You seem to be saying it was just some random number a guy got to once and not an actual benchmark of incredible performance. Weird