Very good guy offred me a great deal as well ill be taken him up on when I get the funds. Hope u get it all worked out :thumbup:
Stop recommending Players HXT?
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Very good guy offred me a great deal as well ill be taken him up on when I get the funds. Hope u get it all worked out :thumbup:
I agree, it isn't much. The shaft still plays fine, but it's noticeably different both in terms of hit and deflection. To be clear, it isn't a huge difference in deflection, but it is different.
It obviously does as I can tell the difference with the new ferrule. Keep in mind it had a very thin tenon (wood mass) and thin ferrule (plastic mass). It now has more of each since the tenon on the standard ferrule is undoubtedly thicker than the old tenon and the new ferrule is thicker and probably a denser material than the old.
Again, it isn't a huge difference, but it's different. Most people would probably say the shaft plays great. In fact, I think I like it, but that isn't the point.
I generally don't break with my playing cues because I use soft tips and don't want to have to maintain them any more than necessary. However, I had soft broken nine ball racks with it on a few occasions. Perhaps that damaged the tenon.
I did break with it last night since it's now just a standard maple shaft. It does have a soft tip, but had he contacted me and we decided to have him repair it I'd have had him put a medium to hard tip on it and used it to break as well as play. So I'll let the tip harden up, shape it and use it.
Thanks for the info. Part of the reason I put this out there was as an "alert" for others. Hope it saves you and others a headache in the future.
Thank you, sir.
This is excellent insight indeed and inline with what I suspected. While I certainly don't possess the technical insight you have, I suspected it was probably a combination of the design, perhaps a bad or stressed tenon, and an honest mistake by the repair guy.
Once again, I wasn't mad at anyone involved, things happen. I'll base my judgement of the repair man on his repair, which is quite good, and probably give Players a chance with a new shaft.
Thanks again for taking the time to offer your expertise. I truly appreciate it.
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I'd definitely appreciate any information you can get from your rep, Rain Man. If he thinks Players may cover it, great. If they won't but would like the pictures for QC, I can send them.
Also, I'll PM you about a new shaft.
You know, one thing I noticed is that the tenon broke off via twisting. I don't think breaking with it caused the failure. Definetly looks like that installer is using improper techniques more than anything. Oh yea, he's also using a box cutter to trim the tip. You can tell that from the wavey line around the tip. The blade isn't being held secure and bounces back and forth in the knife handle. This could def be the problem. The edge on the blade prevents the knife from being able to properly get flush to the ferrule.
I don't buy it that this happened because of the small tenon. All installer fault to me.
I don't know if this is easily explained, but how can you tell?
Look at the wood inside the ferrule. If it would of just snapped off , there would be splinters sticking straight out. There isn't.
Scott, I was a little harsh but you also took my post out of context a bit. I would have to explain why I said what I said and then you would know why. I didn't so it was easy to think I was being a dick, which I also can be at times as well. But I am also a Funny Dick at times too.
Anyway, Rain Man, I bought 2 of the HXT 12.75 and one of the 11.75, (actually 12mm and thats even better).
I'm not a expert player but can hold my own anytime, but I swear by these shafts as compared to the 3 Pred shafts that I own. For the price I got them for, I could have purchased one Pred shaft, regular price, which I seldom pay anyway.
If by chance, a person was to have to replace a ferrule on an HXT, is the ferrule material available?
What would be the closest material that you would recommend?
Joey mentioned Isoplast and that would be a good choice and also Titan, I believe.
Is there a recommended guide to a repair as there is on both OBs and Preds sites.
If not, and you wanted to use a 1/4" tenon, one would have to figure out a type of light weight material to use in the area that a normal 5/16th tenon would take up.
Epoxy would be my first guess but would most likely be heavier. I could think of one or two lighter materials but then it would be hard to get it in uniformly and wouldn't be as strong either.
Anyway, Rain Man, I bought 2 of the HXT 12.75 and one of the 11.75, (actually 12mm and thats even better).
I'm not a expert player but can hold my own anytime, but I swear by these shafts as compared to the 3 Pred shafts that I own. For the price I got them for, I could have purchased one Pred shaft, regular price, which I seldom pay anyway.
If by chance, a person was to have to replace a ferrule on an HXT, is the ferrule material available?
What would be the closest material that you would recommend?
Joey mentioned Isoplast and that would be a good choice and also Titan, I believe.
Is there a recommended guide to a repair as there is on both OBs and Preds sites.
If not, and you wanted to use a 1/4" tenon, one would have to figure out a type of light weight material to use in the area that a normal 5/16th tenon would take up.
Epoxy would be my first guess but would most likely be heavier. I could think of one or two lighter materials but then it would be hard to get it in uniformly and wouldn't be as strong either.
with the shaft is spinning at 500-600 rpm while he was trimming the tip, and the tenon was weakened already, the amount of drag by the cutting with the blade would make the tenon twist as the blade contacts the tip material resulting in a twisting, ripping action, causing the ferrule to twist off, therefore the twisted fibers shown in the picture.
I'm glad to have come across this thread as I do run across a lot of Players shafts for repair, just haven't had a LD one yet. Now I'm forewarned. Thanks Scott for posting this and hope all ends well for you.
DAve
microspheres
Not sure if that is the correct spelling but the last I knew PPG paint dealers could get some little tiny lightweight balls called microspheres I believe. You can get some body filler with the microspheres already in it or you can buy the spheres separately. Should be able to add them to epoxy to shave around thirty percent off the weight I believe.
Problem is there are two things that make a cue low deflection, mass and the ability to move to the side. Some early robot testing originally had the shaft and butt rigidly attached to the robot. With that set-up all shafts tested roughly the same. When they put a layer or two of bubble wrap in to simulate human hands better then the differences in the shafts were much more obvious.
Seems to me that the ferrule and filler on these cues is designed to flex a lot, lowering effective mass. Put a stiff ferrule and filler on the end of that shaft and it will lose some of it's low deflection properties I believe. I do know that ain't the common belief but imagine the opposite. Put an all metal ferrule and very thin tip on two inches of moderately stiff foam rubber like the pool toys or foam pipe insulation and put that assembly on the end of a shaft. Despite the ferrule and tip being far heavier than a normal ferrule it will still be a very low deflection shaft because the tip moves away from the cue ball so easily. This shaft is just an imaginary one to illustrate my point, it wouldn't even be playable. Of course I have turned a few that weren't playable . . . :grin:
Not sure if that is the correct spelling but the last I knew PPG paint dealers could get some little tiny lightweight balls called microspheres I believe. You can get some body filler with the microspheres already in it or you can buy the spheres separately. Should be able to add them to epoxy to shave around thirty percent off the weight I believe.
Problem is there are two things that make a cue low deflection, mass and the ability to move to the side. Some early robot testing originally had the shaft and butt rigidly attached to the robot. With that set-up all shafts tested roughly the same. When they put a layer or two of bubble wrap in to simulate human hands better then the differences in the shafts were much more obvious.
Seems to me that the ferrule and filler on these cues is designed to flex a lot, lowering effective mass. Put a stiff ferrule and filler on the end of that shaft and it will lose some of it's low deflection properties I believe. I do know that ain't the common belief but imagine the opposite. Put an all metal ferrule and very thin tip on two inches of moderately stiff foam rubber like the pool toys or foam pipe insulation and put that assembly on the end of a shaft. Despite the ferrule and tip being far heavier than a normal ferrule it will still be a very low deflection shaft because the tip moves away from the cue ball so easily. This shaft is just an imaginary one to illustrate my point, it wouldn't even be playable. Of course I have turned a few that weren't playable . . . :grin:
Good one Hu and ya know, yer right as usual on this stuff. Now that reminds me. When I was building RC air planes, Sig had a product called Micro Balloons, and that is exactly what you have explained. No doubt that they are one and the same and just repackaged for whatever purpose.
They were used because they were light weight and for strength.
Strength mostly when it came to the planes. I did use it with Epoxy and also with fiber glass resin when I was attaching 2 wing halves together with a fiberglass cloth.
An over dose of Micro Balloons and just enuff epoxy in this case and it would probably work just fine.
A straight thru ferrule and you could pack it in uniformly with a Popsicle stick from the top after you loaded the ferrule up. A capped ferrule and you could put enuff in the ferrule itself and the excess will come out the glue relief hole and then you would know that you hopefully had enuff in.
I sold all my RC equipment and supplies but I still may have a jar on the shelf. I will have to dig around in my junk pile soon.
Hmmm, now ya gots me to thinkin. Thanks for jogging the old age memory. I will have to pick up a jar of the Micro Balloons next time I am at the Hobby Shop. It certainly wouldn't hurt to put a small scoop of the Balloons in the next time I use epoxy for a ferrule or any other application for that matter.
Even if a person was so inclined to use Epoxy and balloons to put on a Phenolic break tip.
They were used because they were light weight and for strength.
Strength mostly when it came to the planes. I did use it with Epoxy and also with fiber glass resin when I was attaching 2 wing halves together with a fiberglass cloth.
An over dose of Micro Balloons and just enuff epoxy in this case and it would probably work just fine.
A straight thru ferrule and you could pack it in uniformly with a Popsicle stick from the top after you loaded the ferrule up. A capped ferrule and you could put enuff in the ferrule itself and the excess will come out the glue relief hole and then you would know that you hopefully had enuff in.
I sold all my RC equipment and supplies but I still may have a jar on the shelf. I will have to dig around in my junk pile soon.
Hmmm, now ya gots me to thinkin. Thanks for jogging the old age memory. I will have to pick up a jar of the Micro Balloons next time I am at the Hobby Shop. It certainly wouldn't hurt to put a small scoop of the Balloons in the next time I use epoxy for a ferrule or any other application for that matter.
Even if a person was so inclined to use Epoxy and balloons to put on a Phenolic break tip.
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same thing or close cousins
The balloons sound like the same thing or very close cousins. I was thinking the spheres added strength too but we are talking early seventies memories although I did confirm the spheres were still available for a project in the late nineties.
Bought a gallon of the auto body filler with the spheres already in it to do body work on my roundy round car. Decided any bondo was too much weight and the can sat on the shelf until I gave it to somebody that was worried about pretty.
Hu
The balloons sound like the same thing or very close cousins. I was thinking the spheres added strength too but we are talking early seventies memories although I did confirm the spheres were still available for a project in the late nineties.
Bought a gallon of the auto body filler with the spheres already in it to do body work on my roundy round car. Decided any bondo was too much weight and the can sat on the shelf until I gave it to somebody that was worried about pretty.
Hu
Old age memory sucks eh? Thats me, forgets where he is going and thinks he has gone.
Works ok unless we're talking about having a Pee.
Works ok unless we're talking about having a Pee.
may december wedding
My great uncle fell into a little oil money. Since his wife had passed he was hotly pursued. Ladies half his age were chasing him for his money but he decided he would go all out and married a little thing barely past one-fourth his age!
Didn't want to kill himself so he set up separate bedrooms. First night after the wedding he knocks on the sweet young thing's bedroom door and performed quite admirably before going back to his room.
About thirty minutes later he knocks on the young lady's door and again performs just fine before heading back to his bedroom.
Another thirty minutes and he is back knocking on her door. Once again he fulfills his marital duties. The young thing is amazed, "Wow, I never expected three times in one night!"
"I have already been here tonight?" Sometimes there are benefits to being old and senile! I hope so anyway, I'm getting there. Now I need an oil well on the back forty.
Hu
My great uncle fell into a little oil money. Since his wife had passed he was hotly pursued. Ladies half his age were chasing him for his money but he decided he would go all out and married a little thing barely past one-fourth his age!
Didn't want to kill himself so he set up separate bedrooms. First night after the wedding he knocks on the sweet young thing's bedroom door and performed quite admirably before going back to his room.
About thirty minutes later he knocks on the young lady's door and again performs just fine before heading back to his bedroom.
Another thirty minutes and he is back knocking on her door. Once again he fulfills his marital duties. The young thing is amazed, "Wow, I never expected three times in one night!"
"I have already been here tonight?" Sometimes there are benefits to being old and senile! I hope so anyway, I'm getting there. Now I need an oil well on the back forty.
Hu
thread title is bad and misleading
i picked up a full hxt cue and shaft for $150, with the kamui tip it's a steal
i picked up a full hxt cue and shaft for $150, with the kamui tip it's a steal
I really liked the stiffness and taper of the hxt shaft I tried. If I bought one I was gonna have the ferrule replaced like you had done (without your consent). Same bs happens to me with a local repair guy in Fresno