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10-23-2012, 10:09 AM

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I don't often disagree with you, John, but if things players think are wrong and/or unfair aren't brought to light and discussed they are likely to remain unchanged.

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And I usually agree with you and after reflecting on my post, agree again. After watching players/promoters shooting themselves in the foot for over 50 years I guess I have come to expect it.

The most positive thing I have seen lately is C.J. being named captain of the Mosconi Cup. Only time will tell, but I believe it is a step in the right direction.
  
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10-23-2012, 11:42 AM

The average for the last 7 years is 233 entrants with a standard deviation of 16.

So this turnout is not what is considered outside the norm.

No one is getting their money stolen literally or metaphorically here when they voluntarily decide to enter this field of world class pool players.
  
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10-23-2012, 12:28 PM

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I posted the turn-out for each US Open over the past several years. The field filled-up in 2010. The years before saw numbers very similar to this year.
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Where did you get your numbers from? I don't doubt it at all and they sound correct, based on my suspect memory, but I was curious about your source?

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10-23-2012, 12:32 PM

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Jude,

Where did you get your numbers from? I don't doubt it at all and they sound correct, based on my suspect memory, but I was curious about your source?

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I went through azb's archived articles. For each year, the first article posts the number of participants.

EDIT: For 2009, I couldn't find an article with a number so I counted by hand. If it's off by a couple, that's my bad.


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10-23-2012, 12:44 PM

I want to add, I appreciate Eric questioning my sources. Through the positive rep I've received, I have a sense of where many people here stand. I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it) and I'm not here trying to give the original poster a hard time, either. All I want to say is, money is a sensitive topic. When you start talking about missing money, it has the potential to ruin reputations, events and lives. I know there are many out there that think we're a bunch of old ladies who have nothing better to do than gossip (and for the most part, they're right) but some actually view azb as a reliable source of information. When "missing money" is the topic, we owe it to the community to do our best to be accurate.

With that said, I think turn-out at the US Open is an interesting thing to discuss. If there were a thread that wanted to discuss ways to improve turn-out, I might participate in it.


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10-23-2012, 12:51 PM

Race,

Just to let you know. I feel the US Open is one of the best pool tournaments in the world. It is precisely for that reason that I am critical. I will still enjoy watching friends play and sweating a ton of matches.

Thanks to Jude, we know that 2011 was 5 entries shy of being full and 2010 was a full 256 field. For the byes to increase by 720% from last year, it seems like other factors are at play. Hence my questions on the OP.

Your post kind of sounds like Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks: "Why can't we work out our differences? Why can't we work things out? Little people, why can't we all just get along?" Then he got zapped by the Martians.

Problems need to be identified so the event can get better.

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OK here we go again.....let us find as many negative things as we can about a tournament, seeding players, monies involved etc.
Just out of curiosity.....does anybody have something positive to add to event topics, do you have any ideas to make things better.....and my favorite question is do any of you play in these events or just B&*^% all the time.
There are, in my opinion, numerous things that can be added/improved to make tournaments more enjoyable for both the players and those spectators that do come out.
I know this is a repeat of various inputs from the past but that's the point, we continue to stir the pot and then wonder why Professional Pool is in the mess it's in vs. improving the situation.
Maybe someone could list a few of the things it takes to get a tournament "off the ground" and no I don't have all the solutions but without having a "flame war" let's start some positive input with facts vs supposition and maybe, in time, things will improve in the U.S. Men's Pool


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10-23-2012, 01:13 PM

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.....and my favorite question is do any of you play in these events or just B&*^% all the time.

I've played at the Turning Stone Classic twice, this January will be my third time. I played in the 14.1 World Championship and the World Summit of Pool. I've never played in the US Open (always run out of vacation days by October). I plan on getting married next Fall so 2013 seems very unlikely. I'm hoping to play in 2014.


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10-23-2012, 01:40 PM

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