how are ya'll doing in league ?
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For people who play lagger's choice enough to have legit SL's in every game, 9-ball always seems to be the lowest. Personally, I think it has to do with both the slop-factor and the short races. I always feel like the result is a coin flip.
There were a lot of people who qualified for events but didn't have "good" SL's. For example, my first 9-ball match was against a guy who was a 50 in 9 but in the 30s for 8 and 10. I guess he played enough 9-ball to qualify but not enough to get his SL where it should be.
Speaking of NAPA, a 10-ball rule got clarified in a way that I think is ridiculous. In NAPA, if you call a ball and it goes someplace else, the other play gets the option of shooting or giving it back. Well, a guy (not in my match) called safe, hit the one that went one or two rails and fell. His opponent insisted that he gets the play option because the 1-ball was not called. He won the argument and we (my LO and I) were told that if you are playing safe and you want to pocket a ball, you have to announce that you are playing safe and call the ball and pocket.
Have you ever heard of that before?
Cannot say I have.
i just looked up my stats before posting.i started as a 50 across the board.
8 ball won 27 lost 17 s/l 60
9 ball won 13 lost 14 s/l 41
10 ball won 2 lost 1 s/l 51
never heard of that rule. gonna have to dwell on it before i give an opinion i have deliberately pocketed a ball and called safe where i locked up the cue ball against my opponent.
Just looked up the 10-ball rules for NAPA:
When it came up, I looked at the rules on my phone by didn't see this before.
In my opinion, the strict interpretation of this rule is that you do not have to verbally call the ball. The rule does not explicitly state that you have to call the object ball and more importantly, the word "called" is in quotes. When you quote a word like that you are not using the word as it is normally defined. That could just be a mistake on the author's part, however.
I also looked up the "official" WPA 10-ball rules. (See, by using quotes, I'm actually saying that I don't consider WPA rules official.) In those rules, you cannot pocket a ball when you call safe:
WPA 10-Ball Rules
When it came up, I looked at the rules on my phone by didn't see this before.
In my opinion, the strict interpretation of this rule is that you do not have to verbally call the ball. The rule does not explicitly state that you have to call the object ball and more importantly, the word "called" is in quotes. When you quote a word like that you are not using the word as it is normally defined. That could just be a mistake on the author's part, however.
I also looked up the "official" WPA 10-ball rules. (See, by using quotes, I'm actually saying that I don't consider WPA rules official.) In those rules, you cannot pocket a ball when you call safe:
WPA 10-Ball Rules
aint had time to dwell on that ruling krupa but i can see where if you are playing a safe and do not call a pocket and you luck one in hooking your opponent in the meantime that he could possibly be allowed to make you shoot again. dang that was a long sentence.
tonight i played in my money league. now i dont wanna go on a rant but this league has some funky handicapping going on .guys that spot me 4 games in napa only spot me 2 games in this league. guys that spot me 2 games in napa are playing me even in this league. heck a guy that plays me even in apa i gotta spot a game in this league. i am a new player in this league and i dont know how he figured i oughta be playing napa s/l's 80-90 even when i am only a 60. oh well if my head is on straight i can give them a run for their money.
so the guy i face tonight is a 3-3 race. i had my head up my ass the 1st 2 racks and quickly got down 2-0. won the next 2 . hill -hill and i get outa position on my last ball. make legal contact but dont pocket it. he runs his last 5 balls plus the 8 to win 3-2.
as soon as my match is over i get a txt from my apa travel league asking if i can make it tonight cause they have 2 players( father & son ) outa town. the deal i made with them is i will only play when they are at home but i went ahead and traveled the 30 miles to where they were. when they are at home its only 5 miles from where i play my money league.
i faced a 6. and won an ugly match 4-3. but hey ...its a win. :thumbup:
tonight i played in my money league. now i dont wanna go on a rant but this league has some funky handicapping going on .guys that spot me 4 games in napa only spot me 2 games in this league. guys that spot me 2 games in napa are playing me even in this league. heck a guy that plays me even in apa i gotta spot a game in this league. i am a new player in this league and i dont know how he figured i oughta be playing napa s/l's 80-90 even when i am only a 60. oh well if my head is on straight i can give them a run for their money.
so the guy i face tonight is a 3-3 race. i had my head up my ass the 1st 2 racks and quickly got down 2-0. won the next 2 . hill -hill and i get outa position on my last ball. make legal contact but dont pocket it. he runs his last 5 balls plus the 8 to win 3-2.
as soon as my match is over i get a txt from my apa travel league asking if i can make it tonight cause they have 2 players( father & son ) outa town. the deal i made with them is i will only play when they are at home but i went ahead and traveled the 30 miles to where they were. when they are at home its only 5 miles from where i play my money league.
i faced a 6. and won an ugly match 4-3. but hey ...its a win. :thumbup:
We were just plain ugly last night. Lost our 8-ball team match, 10-2. Now we are out of at least a tie for first place for the first time in about 20 weeks...
I started off the massacre, losing 4-2 against the guy who beat me in 9-ball last week. We match up pretty well, in a league scenario, so I have no complaints. I played poorly, any number of excuses could be applied, bottom line is I just didn't bring it. My first 8-ball league loss in a long time, I had won 16 in a row before last night. I don't have to worry about going up to SL6 any time soon, playing like that, yuck.
Really depressing night. None of us were particularly into it. I'm sure the temps being in the high 80's with humidity over 80% all day didn't help our attitudes. (We ain't used to that weather here in the North Country, at least I never am.) Just drains the life out me. Our team is usually really "up", laughing and carrying on. Just kind of a malaise. No excuse, just an observation as to why we played so poorly as a team, very unlike us. And every dog has its day, so we took our turn
I also made a tactical error as captain, throwing my SL2 against a new player on their team, whom i had never seen before. He's played three APA matches, and was down to SL3, so I decided to throw my SL2 against him. Big mistake. She had no chance. (Unbeknownst to me, she was the one affected by the days heat the most, having been at the lake all day, probably shouldn't have been there at all. Discovered afterwards, of course.) I coached her into a reasonable safety for her, getting four of her balls between the cue ball and the 8, at the opposite end of a 9-foot table. This guy, without coaching, shoots it rail-first to get around her balls and sinks it, from 8+ feet away. While they were racking, I went over to verify the innings for that game (its loud in this room, I can't hear from across the table, and we usually try to make sure we get the innings right) and give the other teams captain and their best player some good-natured $hit, about an SL3 going rail first like that. They grinned, and admitted they were lucky that he had been lowered after losing his first match, and the handicap hadn't caught up yet. It happens, nature of the beast. NOT a sandbagging issue, not with these guys. I just misread the scenario and made the wrong call in throwing versus him. The way we played last night, it wouldn't have mattered if I threw my SL4 against him, probably. (He lost against their other SL3, just a bad night.) We don't get new players very often, and almost never with the team we were playing, I just guessed wrong.
We will get back at it next week. (Playing at our home location, tighter tables which bother most of our opponents, better AC too!) If we can't come back from this stuff, we won't win in the long run anyway. I'm confident in my crew. And I have a new winning streak to get started on!
I started off the massacre, losing 4-2 against the guy who beat me in 9-ball last week. We match up pretty well, in a league scenario, so I have no complaints. I played poorly, any number of excuses could be applied, bottom line is I just didn't bring it. My first 8-ball league loss in a long time, I had won 16 in a row before last night. I don't have to worry about going up to SL6 any time soon, playing like that, yuck.
Really depressing night. None of us were particularly into it. I'm sure the temps being in the high 80's with humidity over 80% all day didn't help our attitudes. (We ain't used to that weather here in the North Country, at least I never am.) Just drains the life out me. Our team is usually really "up", laughing and carrying on. Just kind of a malaise. No excuse, just an observation as to why we played so poorly as a team, very unlike us. And every dog has its day, so we took our turn
I also made a tactical error as captain, throwing my SL2 against a new player on their team, whom i had never seen before. He's played three APA matches, and was down to SL3, so I decided to throw my SL2 against him. Big mistake. She had no chance. (Unbeknownst to me, she was the one affected by the days heat the most, having been at the lake all day, probably shouldn't have been there at all. Discovered afterwards, of course.) I coached her into a reasonable safety for her, getting four of her balls between the cue ball and the 8, at the opposite end of a 9-foot table. This guy, without coaching, shoots it rail-first to get around her balls and sinks it, from 8+ feet away. While they were racking, I went over to verify the innings for that game (its loud in this room, I can't hear from across the table, and we usually try to make sure we get the innings right) and give the other teams captain and their best player some good-natured $hit, about an SL3 going rail first like that. They grinned, and admitted they were lucky that he had been lowered after losing his first match, and the handicap hadn't caught up yet. It happens, nature of the beast. NOT a sandbagging issue, not with these guys. I just misread the scenario and made the wrong call in throwing versus him. The way we played last night, it wouldn't have mattered if I threw my SL4 against him, probably. (He lost against their other SL3, just a bad night.) We don't get new players very often, and almost never with the team we were playing, I just guessed wrong.
We will get back at it next week. (Playing at our home location, tighter tables which bother most of our opponents, better AC too!) If we can't come back from this stuff, we won't win in the long run anyway. I'm confident in my crew. And I have a new winning streak to get started on!
Banks
Banned
I know how you feel. I took last week off, only to find out that not only did the team not get a single point in the matches, but the captain goofed and we only got 1 of 3 bonus points. We had just snuck into first prior to that. Ouch.
Last night went so-so. We lost, I think, something like 6-7 maybe? I'm not on the 9b team, but that was something like 60-40, iirc.
So far, a fairly unimpressive summer session, 4 of 8 in the masters division and now a decent 4 of 5 in 8b. It looks like the 9b break is finally coming along, though, with much less scratchiness.
No more masters division next session, only playing 8b on maybe 2 8b/9b teams and just part-time at that. I'm beginning to feel as though a long break from league is coming up next year.
Two Tusdays ago, I (a 3) lost to a 2 19-14 in my APA 9-ball traveling league. Sucked. Thought I'd get dropped down before.
Last Monday 6/23 APA 8-ball got my second straight rack less against either a 3 or 4 (can't remember)
Tuesday 6/24 sat out in 9-ball.
Monday 6/30 8-ball lost 3-1 against a 4. Felt both great and horrible. Great because I played really well. Horrible because a few less mistakes or playing a little smart would've gotten me the win. First game had a 6 ball run. Got to the 8, went to bank it back down the table, the cue ball spins sideways in the corner.
Tuesday 7/1 9-ball. Finally got a good win against a fellow 3. Score ended 25-23. It was a come from behind victory for me. Except for one bad break where I scratched, by break wS really working for me. All the practice on it has paid off.
Last Monday 6/23 APA 8-ball got my second straight rack less against either a 3 or 4 (can't remember)
Tuesday 6/24 sat out in 9-ball.
Monday 6/30 8-ball lost 3-1 against a 4. Felt both great and horrible. Great because I played really well. Horrible because a few less mistakes or playing a little smart would've gotten me the win. First game had a 6 ball run. Got to the 8, went to bank it back down the table, the cue ball spins sideways in the corner.
Tuesday 7/1 9-ball. Finally got a good win against a fellow 3. Score ended 25-23. It was a come from behind victory for me. Except for one bad break where I scratched, by break wS really working for me. All the practice on it has paid off.
I pretty much do this once every 2-3 years...then I take off a couple of years. I get yelled at by the misses and friends for not going all out to be the best I can be, but life sometimes is what it is. That and I can't stand league drama...I just prefer to try to beat the sht out of people (on the table) and do my thang while also helping coach.
I don't know what I would do if I didn't play league.
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Banks
Banned
I'm at the bar pretty often as it is.. probably too often. I've played with friends for years and even on a few teams that I started off not knowing. It's tough when people keep telling me I can just show up the minimum or whatever, but I feel guilty doing that. Most likely my plan will be to try once again for the singles 8b in the spring and then take time off. I'll have to squeeze BCA in there next year, though, so that I can qualify for the Fall 2015 or Spring 2016 regional, as I'm skipping the upcoming ones.
Go hustle!
That may be my plan next year. I hear St. Louis and Iowa and ripe for the picking! :thumbup:
It sure would be a dramatic change for me, too. I wonder, though, if a break wouldn't be good...I'm pretty sure I would be a basket case after a few weeks. We really do have a great time, playing and hanging out together.
The only people I know are pool people. I would be so lonley...
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I am the number 1 player in my league as of last night.
It's a tough league with a lot of good players. In fact the great Colorado cue maker Ernie Martinez is in the number 2 spot behind me(guess I'll never get him to make me a cue now)
So last night was a tough one for me I scored a 40 out of a 50 max. Probably will knock me out of first place.
With the skill level we have I figured i would bounce around the top 10 every week.Maybe.
It's a tough league with a lot of good players. In fact the great Colorado cue maker Ernie Martinez is in the number 2 spot behind me(guess I'll never get him to make me a cue now)
So last night was a tough one for me I scored a 40 out of a 50 max. Probably will knock me out of first place.
With the skill level we have I figured i would bounce around the top 10 every week.Maybe.
went to napa league tonight....won by forfeit.
that keeps me in 1st place in points. really dont want to win the session by a forfeit but i found out the guy in 2nd place has 2 forfeit wins this session so that makes me feel a lil better.
2 weeks to go..hope i maintain my lead.:grin-square: been kinda worried about this guy catching me...he is the 2nd highest ranked player in this division.
his s/ls are
8 ball s/l 99
9 ball s/l 100
10 ball s/l 95
my s/l is
8 ball s/l 60
9 ball s/l 43
10 ball s/l 53
i have shut out my last 3 opponents...he has shut out his last 2 and won by a forfeit.
i won by a forfeit and he lost tonight . that gave me a lil breathing room as he is now 31 points behind me. 2 weeks to go and if i dont choke i will win my 1st ever session after playing 3 years in napa.
now if i can only improve my 20th place in my sat division.:frown: that division is chock full of s/l 90 and above players who it seems like i am always the one to face the other teams best player. i dont mind the challenge but its killing my win %.
speaking of my sat division. any of your teams captain like mine ? he always txt's us on fri and names the 5 players out of the 8 on the team who will be playing on sat.
to me its a double edged sword. on one hand its great to know if you you are not gonna play you don't waste time showing up.
on the other hand you cannot field a competitive team if you dont have certain players available to play certain opponents depending on how the match ups go . . he wonders why our team is down towards the bottom of the division in rankings.
that keeps me in 1st place in points. really dont want to win the session by a forfeit but i found out the guy in 2nd place has 2 forfeit wins this session so that makes me feel a lil better.
2 weeks to go..hope i maintain my lead.:grin-square: been kinda worried about this guy catching me...he is the 2nd highest ranked player in this division.
his s/ls are
8 ball s/l 99
9 ball s/l 100
10 ball s/l 95
my s/l is
8 ball s/l 60
9 ball s/l 43
10 ball s/l 53
i have shut out my last 3 opponents...he has shut out his last 2 and won by a forfeit.
i won by a forfeit and he lost tonight . that gave me a lil breathing room as he is now 31 points behind me. 2 weeks to go and if i dont choke i will win my 1st ever session after playing 3 years in napa.
now if i can only improve my 20th place in my sat division.:frown: that division is chock full of s/l 90 and above players who it seems like i am always the one to face the other teams best player. i dont mind the challenge but its killing my win %.
speaking of my sat division. any of your teams captain like mine ? he always txt's us on fri and names the 5 players out of the 8 on the team who will be playing on sat.
to me its a double edged sword. on one hand its great to know if you you are not gonna play you don't waste time showing up.
on the other hand you cannot field a competitive team if you dont have certain players available to play certain opponents depending on how the match ups go . . he wonders why our team is down towards the bottom of the division in rankings.
I'm sure he has his reasons but I've never done anything like that. Had several of my own teams for 7 years and I've found it's always better to just tell everyone to be ready and see what happens the night of. We've always done well with this formula.
went to napa league tonight....won by forfeit.
that keeps me in 1st place in points. really dont want to win the session by a forfeit but i found out the guy in 2nd place has 2 forfeit wins this session so that makes me feel a lil better.
2 weeks to go..hope i maintain my lead.:grin-square: been kinda worried about this guy catching me...he is the 2nd highest ranked player in this division.
his s/ls are
8 ball s/l 99
9 ball s/l 100
10 ball s/l 95
my s/l is
8 ball s/l 60
9 ball s/l 43
10 ball s/l 53
i have shut out my last 3 opponents...he has shut out his last 2 and won by a forfeit.
i won by a forfeit and he lost tonight . that gave me a lil breathing room as he is now 31 points behind me. 2 weeks to go and if i dont choke i will win my 1st ever session after playing 3 years in napa.
now if i can only improve my 20th place in my sat division.:frown: that division is chock full of s/l 90 and above players who it seems like i am always the one to face the other teams best player. i dont mind the challenge but its killing my win %.
speaking of my sat division. any of your teams captain like mine ? he always txt's us on fri and names the 5 players out of the 8 on the team who will be playing on sat.
to me its a double edged sword. on one hand its great to know if you you are not gonna play you don't waste time showing up.
on the other hand you cannot field a competitive team if you dont have certain players available to play certain opponents depending on how the match ups go . . he wonders why our team is down towards the bottom of the division in rankings.
NAPA last night. Won a 6-3 8-ball race 6-0 (and rackless.) My opponent is a new player and is still getting his SL right. These kind of matches aren't fun for me but I guess the positive take-away is that I didn't worry about the spot and I played strong the whole time. Usually if I have to win more games, I play strong until the race is even and then let up.
played in my napa laggers choice yesterday.
my opponent wins the lag electing to break 1st and give me the choice of game.
race matrix.
8 ball even at 4-4
9 ball 5-3... me going to 3.
10 ball even at 4-4.
although slop is involved in 9 ball where anything can happen i decide to take advantage of him spotting me 2 games.
1st rack he makes an early 3-9 combo.
2. rack he makes a b&r. .... damn my strategy might be backfiring
next 4 racks we go back and forth and get to hill-hill.
i break potting the 4. pot the 1 and play a safe on the 2. he makes a 2 rail kick at warp speed hitting darn near every ball on the table....except the 2. :grin-square:
i make a 2-9 combo winning the match.
the reason i was hesitant about playing this guy 9 ball .....i have played him several times in apa. he is a 6/6 and i am a 5/5. he is a darn good straight shooter and when he gets in trouble he flails away at the object ball and most of the time something falls and he continues pocketing the shit outa balls. when he misses he usually leaves you bad. really did not care to play him even in 8 or 10 in napa when he spots me a game in apa.
i hate playing guys like that.
my opponent wins the lag electing to break 1st and give me the choice of game.
race matrix.
8 ball even at 4-4
9 ball 5-3... me going to 3.
10 ball even at 4-4.
although slop is involved in 9 ball where anything can happen i decide to take advantage of him spotting me 2 games.
1st rack he makes an early 3-9 combo.
2. rack he makes a b&r. .... damn my strategy might be backfiring
next 4 racks we go back and forth and get to hill-hill.
i break potting the 4. pot the 1 and play a safe on the 2. he makes a 2 rail kick at warp speed hitting darn near every ball on the table....except the 2. :grin-square:
i make a 2-9 combo winning the match.
the reason i was hesitant about playing this guy 9 ball .....i have played him several times in apa. he is a 6/6 and i am a 5/5. he is a darn good straight shooter and when he gets in trouble he flails away at the object ball and most of the time something falls and he continues pocketing the shit outa balls. when he misses he usually leaves you bad. really did not care to play him even in 8 or 10 in napa when he spots me a game in apa.
i hate playing guys like that.
Playing league today for the first time in about a month...usually means I will shoot either one of the two extremes great or bad...not much in between usually. To pump myself up I am guaranteeing 1 patch to motivate myself whether it is 8 or 9 ball, gl to me :grin:.