LD Shafts are bobo, I don't care what you say...

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scsuxci

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Dedeye1209 said:
This should stir up a good discussion.

I have played with predator, OB, Tiger, and others. They all play solid. But the low-deflection shaft was invented to figure out a way to use junk wood and make money. It is a copout, an excuse not to learn the proper way to age, turn, and stabilize good Shaftwood. A real Cuemaker knows how to make a real, great playing shaft. Don't fall prey to this marketing scam!

No laminated shaft plays as good as a properly made, high growth ring maple one.
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First you say '' it doesn't matter what we say'' then you think it should be a riveting
discussion?
I've heard the whole Mosconi ran blah blah and Efren can play with a tree
branch and so on. Theres a handful of elite players above pro status that
can play there top game grabbing any cue.
Do you really believe that all cuemakers make stellar playing shafts,cause
they don't.
I play with a Layani cue with maple shafts but I tweaked the snot out of them
for me to play with the cue. Most guys do tweak something as far as tips, ferrules
and tapers.
Every other cue I have has a Predator or OB shaft with it. I'm 44 years old
and can play at a decent level against anybody and haven't felt like I've
fallen prey to a marketing scam.
Its utterly nuts to say there isn't a difference in shafts. If I have 100 Predator
shafts and 100 custom shafts from all different makers which 100 do you
think would play alike?
 
Patrick Johnson

Patrick Johnson

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Jaden said:
I use bhe with my LD shaft, I just bridge farther back...

No, what I am saying is that for a standard shaft for BHE to be accurate, you have to pivot from a variance on the shaft of about 1/4".

With an LD shaft, you can pivot within 1.5-2" from the pivot point and still be accurate...

There's no magic involved in that, it just has to do with the deviation of angle.

Because you are pivoting from farther back, the deviation angle from center is less, so the pivot point is more variable because you can pivot from more area without changing the angle of deviation more.

Jaden
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Oh, I get you now - you're saying BHE is more forgiving of bridge length errors with a lower squirt cue. That's interesting - thanks for clarifying.

I tend to lengthen my bridge the better I get, but I doubt that I'll ever want it long enough to use BHE with my 20+" pivot point.

pj
chgo
 
TATE

TATE

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Tires have never been the same since they started putting them steel belts into the damn things. Good pure rubber is hard to find. Then they went and took the tubes out and made then run without going flat. Whatever happened to wide ovals anyway? I say it's a plot to make a profit on us stupid tire buyers.

What about them Cathode Ray Tube televisions and computer screens? VHS tapes? 8 track? What's this world coming to?
 
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Runner

Runner

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Going BoBo...

I play mainly custom cues with regular old growth original maker shafts... I'm used to them. Having said that, I've played with friends custom cues with OB, Predator, you name it... some hit great, some not so much... to ME... they might love it. YMMV.

It's WOOD... you can make two identical 314 shafts and one might play much better than the other. I've seen guys have a new butt made for an old Joss shaft because it's a really good one... and they're USED to it.

I think when you find something that works for you, you STICK TO IT... cue weight, length, shaft size, tip... and get on with it.

My 2.2cents...
 
pt109

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beneath_the_sur said:
never heard that one
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I used to sell cues to teenagers ...small $ down...kept them behind the counter till they paid..
....kept them in cardboard tubes with their names on them.....
....they called them ' GHETTO' cases...:smile:

I used to give them a real case when they paid in full.
 
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RiverCity

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jb1911 said:
I can't believe we still don't know what bobo means.
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I figured he was talking about Detroit area wrestling legend Bobo Brazil......... :thumbup:
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midnightpulp said:
The forum pretty much agrees that the Philippines and Taiwanese are the best pool players in the world.

And for the best cueists in Europe, I'd give it to the Belgians. The rate at which they produce world class players in the world's most difficult and imaginative cue sport (3 cushion) is astounding.
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The forum pretty much agrees? Well, if cue sports conventional wisdom boils down to a handful of mere wobbly-stroked Americans, then good luck is required.

No, what your missing is this; our finest pool players don't play your game, and, when we do, dominate it. Take chinese 8 ball for starters - your sized table, your sized balls, your sized cues, your rules, virtually, and where's your Taiwanese & Filipino players there then, eh? And our snooker players are waaay above our pool players.

Good one with the Belgians, though. :grin:
 
sfvpool

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Low Deflection Shafts

To say that because, "...the developers of these products did it to make use of junk wood..." proves that modern day LD shafts are bad is like saying that since Viagra was originally developed as a blood pressure medicine proves that it doesn't work for its re purposed use. Whether LD shafts actually were developed to make use of junk wood or not, I'm not sure...
 
Patrick Johnson

Patrick Johnson

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sfvpool said:
Whether LD shafts actually were developed to make use of junk wood or not, I'm not sure...
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"Radial consistency" is the only other likely benefit, but I don't think that's really a significant technical improvement - not enough to drive such a costly production redesign anyway. I think the primary reason must be the savings with cheaper grade maple - remember it's not just the initial cost, but also greater availability, less waste, shorter "seasoning" time, more automation, etc. I think "radial consistency" is the marketing story.

pj
chgo

P.S. I like Predator's innovative products and think "radial consistency" is marketing genius.
 
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To eich their own but i have owned nearly every brand or production cue and played many years before buying my first predator shaft. I can say with confidence i will not look back but may try an OB cue at some point. I had not seen or heard any of their marketing. I tried a friend's for a couple sessions and after adjusting, everything with side spin was just easier.
 
TATE

TATE

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Patrick Johnson said:
"Radial consistency" is the only other likely benefit, but I don't think that's really a significant technical improvement - not enough to drive such a costly production redesign anyway. I think the primary reason must be the savings with cheaper grade maple - remember it's not just the initial cost, but also greater availability, less waste, shorter "seasoning" time, more automation, etc. I think "radial consistency" is the marketing story.

pj
chgo

P.S. I like Predator's innovative products and think "radial consistency" is marketing genius.
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I can't speak first hand about Predator and OB but I've seen Tiger's stock of maple for many years and it's first rate. No matter the original intention, which I believe was the notion that somehow laminated shafts would be LD, the true benefit of this construction to me is consistency from shaft to shaft. Tiger's same model laminated shafts play very much alike no matter when they were made. I will also add that in my experience, they resist warp better than most solid shafts. (Note: I've had a few LD shafts from Predator warp a very small amount).

My understanding is "Radial consistency" reduces the flex inconsistency due to spine. I can't comment on that claim.
 
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midnightpulp

midnightpulp

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Ron Swanson said:
The forum pretty much agrees? Well, if cue sports conventional wisdom boils down to a handful of mere wobbly-stroked Americans, then good luck is required.

No, what your missing is this; our finest pool players don't play your game, and, when we do, dominate it. Take chinese 8 ball for starters - your sized table, your sized balls, your sized cues, your rules, virtually, and where's your Taiwanese & Filipino players there then, eh? And our snooker players are waaay above our pool players.

Good one with the Belgians, though. :grin:
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"You've" never dominated pool. Appleton is the only Brit to make any real noise in American pool. And he hit his stride right after he spent time in, you guessed it, the Philippines.

Chinese 8 ball is a gimmick game. I don't pay much attention to it. The break and run percentages are about the same as the game played on a US bar table. Heated table and the magic rack=no stroke required. Guess what happened when the great Ronnie O' actually played on real conditions (IPT)? He got destroyed.

You "finest pool players" (from English 8 ball, I assume?) got dominated by Jim Rempe in his first time ever playing the game. Snooker players you say? Steve Davis was in that tournament, as well. Didn't do shit.

I guess your "finest" pool players don't like playing for more money. What's the English 8 ball World Title worth these days? I think it's less than any one of the regional tournaments we got going here at any given time :smile:
 
hang-the-9

hang-the-9

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Dedeye1209 said:
This should stir up a good discussion.

I have played with predator, OB, Tiger, and others. They all play solid. But the low-deflection shaft was invented to figure out a way to use junk wood and make money. It is a copout, an excuse not to learn the proper way to age, turn, and stabilize good Shaftwood. A real Cuemaker knows how to make a real, great playing shaft. Don't fall prey to this marketing scam!

No laminated shaft plays as good as a properly made, high growth ring maple one.
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Yes they can use cheaper cuts of wood, but that is not the reason. It's like saying they made smartphones to use cheaper plastic than the old Motorola suitcase cell phones.

Not that it's a new discussion, but it will stir things up, again.
 
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