Another CTE question

swest said:

I hesitate to do this. I don't want to poison the well even before I get Stan's DVD... but, what the hell? (please see my question below your post).



You say that, "each shot will have a slightly different orientation". I would like to pose a little thought experiment using curtains. Say we have the following setup (the shooter can't see beyond the curtains, but the Great Observer - that's us - can see the reality).

I will stipulate that the 1-ball is makeable in the top left corner pocket by a shooter standing at the right of the table between the curtains. Further, based on that knowledge, he then moves to the 3-ball shot, his 'orientation' changes in whatever way you believe that it would change, and he then pockets the 3-ball in the same pocket.

(It is a separate question as to whether, with the curtains in place, he actually has enough information to pocket the 1-ball... but for now, we will assume he can.)

Now we move the curtains, and set up the shots again:

I will stipulate that the shooter again makes the 1-ball in the upper left corner pocket, and then moves to the 3-ball and proceeds to pocket it. Now here is my question:

Is there any difference between the change in his perception that takes place between 1-ball and 3-ball in the first setup, and the change in his perception that takes place between the 1-ball and 3-ball in the second setup?

Please read that carefully. I'm wondering about differences here.

Thanks.

- s.west

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swest said:

I read them. So... what do you think, is there any difference between the change in his perception that takes place between 1-ball and 3-ball in the first setup, and the change in his perception that takes place between the 1-ball and 3-ball in the second setup?

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Mirza said:

Well, actually, it is

Let me try and explain it.

Lines that are in perspective are the lines that are "arround" your vision center and their perspective changes.

For example, if you're in the middle of a railroad and looking in the vanishing point, two railroad tracks seem to get closer and closer when distance changes, when they approach the vanishing point.

Why is that? Because of the 3D perspective that surrounds it and you're place in it from where you're watching.It doesnt matter what surrounds the tracks,they will become one the further they get away from us.

BUT if you're standing directly on one of the railroad tracks, it is in a 90° to your vision center, right? No perspection can change that, correct? Only the second railroad track is in your perspection and its position towards your vision center will change when you move sideways, correct? It must because when you're in the middle of the railroad left and right railroad track are in the same (reverse) angle to your vision center (picture in the attachment), but if you move sideways ON one of the railroad tracks it will always be 90° to your vision and the other will not, because of the perception.

Now, to relate to CTE Pro1 visuals and this example, I think this example shows clearly why you MUST NOT stand behing either visual but in the middle, between CTE line and CB edge to A/C, B line because only then they WILL BE IN PERSPECTIVE and any movement, be it sideways or frontal will change the perspective in which you see them because the 3D perspective that you see them on (pool table) changes as you move in any direction.

Does this make sence?Not really..In the picture of the 2 shots you're placed in the middle of the tracks on both shot's...nothing should change according to the rules of your system.

It should

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8pack said:

No it shouldn't ...I will tell you something else....The whole ball needs to be accounted for.:wink: E-------A---------B----------C---------E



Its not as bad as it sounds ......If you were to Know the exact answer to the formula...you would fall short of achieving it.We all would fall short.
Somewhere during the process we have to let go and let the mind take over.
================== Maybe this is your perception.==============


Sorry I don't try create something that is not there.

Have a Great weekend Mirza!

Btw----Take note of your progess---write it down-------find the exactness on shots-----Thank me later.....:wink:

Beer Please!!!

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Mirza said:

Well thats the whole point Anthony!!!

If you move the line that you had in perception in a parallel (sideways) motion with you, nothing would happen, you moved, line moved!!!!!!

BUT, you don't do that!! You look at 3D objects (pool balls) that moved in regards to your 3D perspective that surround you. They changed perspective and look different in different position to the same perspective, so the lines that you percieve are now different to..

This is some higher mathematics...but hey I learned that in college and high school when I attended all those competitions....maybe that is why this comes easy and understandable to me...

You are a better player than me...but you're surely not better at math

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mristea said:

Wow
If you show these discussions to Shane, Efren, Earl etc. etc. they will laugh so much...
Don't get me wrong I like aiming systems, but sometimes we are so over-complicating these things

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Mirza said:

Audience asked for it

How are you my friend, everything good?

When will we see more videos from you?

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duckie said:

Answer this......does a sphere have a edge?

Here are some pic of pool shots......seem I'm the only that does this.

The first shows the vanishing point concept when your field of view moves up from the table because of the edges of the tables. But as you move your field of view to the CB and 10 in the side pocket, ball, there is no more vanishing point in your field of view.

Same in those other pics......as you lower your head the vanishing point goes way. Or as you get higher...one or the other.

Also in those pics, there are real world lines, edges, objects that influence what you see in your mind. In the pic below, between the CB and 10, there are no such objects that every one can see that influences what is seen in the mind.

When your field of view is limited so is your sense of perspective. Like in the 6 ball shot. You are looking more down. Unlike the long 9 ball cut.

The cue ball off the rail to the 8 in the corner show that all aiming is subject. And also is a example of indirect aiming whereas all the other pics are direct aiming.

Lastly, using Ghost Ball contact patch, perspective really does not matter because the spot on the table to make the OB go in the pocket never changes with how far the CB is from the OB because the CB contact patch on the line as the Ghost Ball contact. If one can effectively imagine lines used to aim then the same can be done effectively imagine spots on the table to aim, one method is no harder than another, it just comes down to personal choice.

How I use my vision does change with distance. How I use my vision doing that one rail 8 ball was not the same as doing the long 9 cut. That was the point of the 3d pics.

How I use my vision riding my motorcycle fast up in the hills is not the same as I do typing this. Whole different view, so to speak. In hills, is more like see the 3d objects whereas typing this is like just seeing jumbled picture that had the 3d objects in it, flat.

I use my vision and visualization skills better than the average person. This maybe the difference that influences one person to choose one method over another.

The biggest difference is what I see in my field of view and where my field of view is. One of the things I learned in marital arts is you don't look at the person, but past them sightly. This way you can see any movement they make because your attention is not on one area.

Riding motorcycles requires seeing everything going on around you without paying attention to any one detail. You don't really look at anything thereby seeing everything. I've been behind a racer that was just focused on the rider in front of him, the rider in front of him went off track and so did he, I did not because I was looking past both of them to where I wanted to be on track for the next turn , yet I saw the whole thing happen.

Get in a pack of 30 motorcycle racers at a start of a race and we are going for the same spot in the same turn.....you learn to use your whole vision and all your other senses real quick.

When I do this playing pool, this greatly improve my position play. I'm able to see the shot and where I want to the CB to go which greatly helps with how I stroke. See, a cut shot is really not a cut shot, but a carom shot because what really matter on the shot is where the CB stops after caroming off the OB.

BTW these and other I have come from during my practice, these are not set up shots, but shots I have experienced.

PS......no, a sphere does not have a edge, kinda makes ya wonder how you use the edge of something to aim with that doesn't have an edge? Is it all in the imagination?

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swest said:

A sphere can have a projection. Like a shadow. So in that sense the location of the sphere's 'edge' is dependent on the plane of the projection, which, of course, changes as you move your head around.

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