Depends on the opponent.
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Disappointing Sportsmanship or Not?
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Me either - I’d take no pride in “riding the rule” to a “win”.
If that’s holier than thou, thou could use a little more holy.
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Ah... So, when you said everybody, you didn't mean everybody including the opponent. Got you.
I still don't think it's an obligation to ensure an opponent makes no mistakes... But I understand your statement better now.
I still don't think it's an obligation to ensure an opponent makes no mistakes... But I understand your statement better now.
I agree 100% with this.
Anyone knowledgeable of tournament rules and etiquette knows that no one is permitted to clue in the shooter they are shooting at the wrong ball, other than their opponent if they so choose to do so.No. Of cos not. He's playing to win not to lose.
Having said that, why did you and the spectators keep quiet? Why didn't you or someone shout "WRONG BALL, you fool " :grin:
Someone should make an app and have such warning shouts. So if something like this happens in a match, just turn on the app on high volume and send warning to C :grin:
I'm just saying that my character / integrity is more important to me than winning one game, one match or one tournament, particularly when playing a far weaker opponent. I'd hope that I'd fall among those who, as an opponent and if I saw it happening in enough to stop them from going through with the shot, I would choose to speak up and say something, unless that player had shown disrespect and/or a lack of etiquette towards me or another opponent I'd witnessed previously - if that's the case, then all bets are off.
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I'm not so certain that your definition of integrity holds up too well since you aren't willing to do what you think is right at ALL times but instead only when you approve of the player. I think this is the problem with this side of the argument. pt109 is starting to win me over on just following ALL the rules. There are certain times I would extend the courtesy to my confused opponent but I no longer feel obligated to do so. I certainly wouldn't do so in a team event where you really are responsible for refereeing your own match. In these events, extending this courtesy to your opponent is really unfairly handicapping your own team since you have no idea if the courtesy would be reciprocated.
Corey Duel once said something along the lines of, "I don't make the rules, I just play by them." Following this dictum is probably not a bad idea.
Now when it comes to judging a player's character based on how they handle these situations, I think you can glean more about a person by how they react afterwards than whether or not they make the call.
P.S. The worst possible scenario can be found in the APA when a player shoots the wrong balls and the opponent waits until they get down to the 8 ball to call the foul. Ouch.
INTEGRITY....Your use of this word is how opposing politicians use it...it implies that
those who don’t do what you do don’t have INTEGRITY.
Well, I would question my INTEGRITY if I used my opponent’s advice to beat him.
And then you bring up situational ethics...you won’t warn the player if you don’t approve
of him.
If everybody plays by the rules....then people who don’t like each other can have a fair match.
agree with all the but especially the first part, i was thinking the same thing
So are you saying that if player A saw the foul coming, let player C shoot the wrong ball, then called the foul right away...that the game then somehow goes to player C who just fouled? As in player A is being penalized for not telling player C he was about to blunder?
I thought he said if player a let opponent know before the shot, it would be unsporting/ loss of game?
what proves guilt of what?
so because you make a mistake and i choose to let you, instead of holding your hand
i have a lack of character? because you cant pay attention?
so because you make a mistake and i choose to let you, instead of holding your hand
i have a lack of character? because you cant pay attention?
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I don't take issue with anyone that wants to correct their opponent's error. If they want to make that gesture as a courtesy, I'm fine with them choosing to do so.
Where I have an issue is if someone were to judge me as having a 'lack of character' for not doing the same. I play competitive pool and I play by the rules. I don't cheat. I play by the same rules as my opponent, and we don't correct each other's mistakes.
For someone to invent their own standards of sportsmanship and then criticize me for not living up to them doesn't seem right.
But this is the world we live in. I've accepted that if I play competitive pool publicly then people will have critical opinions about me and my decisions. The key for me is to try my absolute hardest to be a good sport and good person, then the criticism rolls off my back because I know I've done my best. The same way I try my hardest at the table to play my best pool and if railbirds want to criticize me then I can tune that out.
When you get what you want in your struggle for self
And the world makes you king for a day
Just go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what that man has to say.
For it isn’t your father, or mother, or wife
Whose judgment upon you must pass
The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the one staring back from the glass.
He’s the fellow to please – never mind all the rest
For he’s with you, clear to the end
And you’ve passed your most difficult, dangerous test
If the man in the glass is your friend.
You may fool the whole world down the pathway of years
And get pats on the back as you pass
But your final reward will be heartache and tears
If you’ve cheated the man in the glass.
I don't take issue with anyone that wants to correct their opponent's error. If they want to make that gesture as a courtesy, I'm fine with them choosing to do so.
Where I have an issue is if someone were to judge me as having a 'lack of character' for not doing the same. I play competitive pool and I play by the rules. I don't cheat. I play by the same rules as my opponent, and we don't correct each other's mistakes.
For someone to invent their own standards of sportsmanship and then criticize me for not living up to them doesn't seem right.
But this is the world we live in. I've accepted that if I play competitive pool publicly then people will have critical opinions about me and my decisions. The key for me is to try my absolute hardest to be a good sport and good person, then the criticism rolls off my back because I know I've done my best. The same way I try my hardest at the table to play my best pool and if railbirds want to criticize me then I can tune that out.
When you get what you want in your struggle for self
And the world makes you king for a day
Just go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what that man has to say.
For it isn’t your father, or mother, or wife
Whose judgment upon you must pass
The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the one staring back from the glass.
He’s the fellow to please – never mind all the rest
For he’s with you, clear to the end
And you’ve passed your most difficult, dangerous test
If the man in the glass is your friend.
You may fool the whole world down the pathway of years
And get pats on the back as you pass
But your final reward will be heartache and tears
If you’ve cheated the man in the glass.
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Pay attention or pay the piper.
In snooker there is a special rule for color blindness.....
In a refereed match, the ref must warn the player that he is shooting the wrong ball.
...the most common is the inability to distinguish a red from a brown ball.
In a non-refereed game, it’s the opponent’s duty to issue the warning......
...if it is not noticed till after the fact, the shot can be played over.
So in a pool game, I hope a player would get the same consideration.
.....even if the one with the vision problem is not liked....
I've had a brain fart and done that before. I blamed nobody but myself. I actually found it kind of funny.
If I saw my opponent doing it I'd let him know unless he was an a-hole. I've actually let bangers commit fouls and didn't take bih because I know I'm going to beat them anyway. I've also called fouls on myself nobody else saw.
Bottom line opponent should have told him unless there was some previous friction between the two players but it's on the player at the table to shoot the right ball.
If I saw my opponent doing it I'd let him know unless he was an a-hole. I've actually let bangers commit fouls and didn't take bih because I know I'm going to beat them anyway. I've also called fouls on myself nobody else saw.
Bottom line opponent should have told him unless there was some previous friction between the two players but it's on the player at the table to shoot the right ball.
In snooker there is a special rule for color blindness.....
In a refereed match, the ref must warn the player that he is shooting the wrong ball.
...the most common is the inability to distinguish a red from a brown ball.
In a non-refereed game, it’s the opponent’s duty to issue the warning......
...if it is not noticed till after the fact, the shot can be played over.
So in a pool game, I hope a player would get the same consideration.
.....even if the one with the vision problem is not liked....
The few times I've had the opportunity to play snooker, I ask on almost every shot. With numbers on the balls, the only excuse I have is my own laziness.
I have read through this entire thread and I'm a little confused. Am I missing something here? The OP said the guy had ball in hand on the 6. Then goes on to say he pocketed the 6. Where is the foul?
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