Depends on the opponent.
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Me either - I’d take no pride in “riding the rule” to a “win”.I won't want to win that way
If you know the etiquette/rules of tournament play regarding these situations (and I'm not referring to league play as I don't know what the rules are there), no one observing, not even the tournament director is allowed to warn that person they are shooting the wrong ball. The only player permitted to do so is the opponent, only if they choose to do so. If anyone else had told him he was shooting the wrong ball, as TD, as late in the game as it was and it likely would have a direct affect on who won the game, I would have called for them to re-rack and start the game over.
This is a very debated topic and has come up a number of times on this forum. The answer is clear:
Legally the seated player has no obligation to point out which the correct ball is to shoot. He acts as the 'referee' and you don't see a referee in a tournament match warning a player something he is about to do is stupid.
Ethically the debate is quite split. Some people argue it is 'good sportsmanship' to point out an opponents mistake. I feel it is not, as where do you draw the line? Do you have to warn them about a scratch? That they are aiming a kick long? I firmly believe it is the player's responsibility to play their game correctly in ALL cases. And, using professional pool as an example, I have NEVER seen a pro player assist their opponent under any circumstance.
Now, as I said, some people debate this piece and consider it poor sportsmanship to allow your opponent to make their mistake, but whether we agree on that the rules are clear. There is certainly no legal obligation to help your opponent.
Anyone knowledgeable of tournament rules and etiquette knows that no one is permitted to clue in the shooter they are shooting at the wrong ball, other than their opponent if they so choose to do so.No. Of cos not. He's playing to win not to lose.
Having said that, why did you and the spectators keep quiet? Why didn't you or someone shout "WRONG BALL, you fool " :grin:
Someone should make an app and have such warning shouts. So if something like this happens in a match, just turn on the app on high volume and send warning to C :grin:
Anyone knowledgeable of tournament rules and etiquette knows that no one is permitted to clue in the shooter they are shooting at the wrong ball, other than their opponent if they so choose to do so.
I'm just saying that my integrity is more important to me than winning one game, one match or one tournament, so I fall among those who, as an opponent and if I saw it happening in enough to stop them from going through with the shot, I would choose to speak up and say something, unless that player had shown disrespect and/or a lack of etiquette towards me or another opponent I'd witnessed previously.
Anyone knowledgeable of tournament rules and etiquette knows that no one is permitted to clue in the shooter they are shooting at the wrong ball, other than their opponent if they so choose to do so.
I'm just saying that my integrityis more important to me than winning one game, one match or one tournament, so I fall among those who, as an opponent and if I saw it happening in enough to stop them from going through with the shot, I would choose to speak up and say something, unless that player had shown disrespect and/or a lack of etiquette towards me or another opponent I'd witnessed previously.
I'm not so certain that your definition of integrity holds up too well since you aren't willing to do what you think is right at ALL times but instead only when you approve of the player. I think this is the problem with this side of the argument. pt109 is starting to win me over on just following ALL the rules. There are certain times I would extend the courtesy to my confused opponent but I no longer feel obligated to do so. I certainly wouldn't do so in a team event where you really are responsible for refereeing your own match. In these events, extending this courtesy to your opponent is really unfairly handicapping your own team since you have no idea if the courtesy would be reciprocated.
Corey Duel once said something along the lines of, "I don't make the rules, I just play by them." Following this dictum is probably not a bad idea.
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If player A noticed and said something right away to player C it is unsportsmanlike and the game following the rules is automatically given to player C. You can't notice and then say something right away it proves guilt and shows lack of character.
If player A noticed and said something right away to player C it is unsportsmanlike and the game following the rules is automatically given to player C. You can't notice and then say something right away it proves guilt and shows lack of character.
So are you saying that if player A saw the foul coming, let player C shoot the wrong ball, then called the foul right away...that the game then somehow goes to player C who just fouled? As in player A is being penalized for not telling player C he was about to blunder?
I'm color blind. I try to look at the numbers before every shot, but sometimes I "assume". If I shoot the wrong ball, that's on me for not reading the numbers.
In snooker there is a special rule for color blindness.....
In a refereed match, the ref must warn the player that he is shooting the wrong ball.
...the most common is the inability to distinguish a red from a brown ball.
In a non-refereed game, it’s the opponent’s duty to issue the warning......
...if it is not noticed till after the fact, the shot can be played over.
So in a pool game, I hope a player would get the same consideration.
.....even if the one with the vision problem is not liked....
Our weekly 9-ball tournament. One of our top regulars - an A player, is playing a C player, with the spot of 2 games on the wire in a race to 5 for the C player. This round is about half way through the tournament, with plenty of players and spectators still here and watching. Score is tied 3-3. The C player has ball-in-hand on the 6-ball, but clearly sets the cue ball down and lines it up to play the 7-ball.
Everybody in the room including myself who is playing in a match 3 tables away, sees what's going on, but as is appropriate, no one says anything to tip off the shooter he's getting ready to play the wrong ball. His opponent is the only one who has that option of warning the player of the mistake he's about to make and also clearly sees what's going on, but says nothing.
As soon as the player shoots and pockets the 6-ball, of course his opponent immediately tells him he just shot at the wrong ball, and of course also tells him he thought he was just checking out where he wanted to leave the cue ball for the 7-ball shot and didn't realize he was going to shoot it until it was too late, which was clearly not the case, in my opinion.
The A player went on to win the match. I didn't say anything, but it just didn't sit well with me that this player, whom I generally have respected as a nice guy and and always shows proper etiquette towards his opponent, had the opportunity to do the right thing here, but he placed the importance of his winning the match over showing good sportsmanship and chose to remain silent and then calling the foul. Karma caught up with him as he lost his next match anyway.
Opinions as to what others would have done in this same situation, keeping in mind that yes, prize $ was involved but not that much - this is just a weekly tournament and your opponent is a far weaker and far less experienced player?