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Good shot or foul? - 09-10-2019, 06:51 PM

I would like to share this video, from the Bilyarista group in the Philippines. It's from a 15-ball rotation money match. Referee decided that it was a foul. But the video has hundreds of opposing comments in our forum (it had to be locked). I'd like to know what AZB has to say. Please vote in the poll.

*My apologies for the low-res video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWp1OND3bXM


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09-10-2019, 07:05 PM

It's subtle, but looking frame-by-frame the 11 moves a tiny but just visible amount an instant before the 13. The CB's carom angle off the 13 is also consistent with that.

Good rail-first hit.

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09-10-2019, 07:20 PM

I could only tell it was good after going frame by frame


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09-10-2019, 07:24 PM

Clean, well done


  
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09-10-2019, 07:30 PM

Nice shot.

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09-10-2019, 07:44 PM

We had the advantage of slo-mo...the poor ref didn't?
  
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09-10-2019, 07:52 PM

Iím not so sure. (Only using my phone). Frame by frame Iím seeing the 13 move before the 11 starts to drop. I also see the top of the rail compress...is it possible the 11 is against the face of the pocket, on the edge of dropping, and the rail compression gives it just enough to topple over?

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09-10-2019, 08:23 PM

I think it was good. If I was refereeing I would have to be sure to call foul and I donít see how he could be sure.
  
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09-10-2019, 08:27 PM

Most definitely a good hit. No doubt in my mind.

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09-10-2019, 08:28 PM

I watched it a half dozen times...still not 100% sure either way. In tennis, when the line call is close enough to be uncertain, the call is good.
  
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09-10-2019, 08:28 PM

I don't see how the cue ball could possibly hit the rail, the 13 and then the 11 and go directly up the table at speed after hitting the 11 very, very softly.

Maybe the 11 dropped on its own, as mentioned above, but I would have to call it good after seeing the video.


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09-10-2019, 08:32 PM

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I watched it a half dozen times...still not 100% sure either way. In tennis, when the line call is close enough to be uncertain, the call is good.
Think about how the cue ball would have to move to carom from the 13 to the 11. If it moved back to the 11 after the hit on the 13, it's never going to go up the table.


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09-10-2019, 08:36 PM

I looked frame by frame and the 11ball didn't move until well after contact with the 12 ball. I think the 11ball was so close to the lip of the pocket that the vibration set it off. OR, that compression of the rail prior to contact pushed it over. At least thats how it looks like to me.
  
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09-10-2019, 08:40 PM

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Think about how the cue ball would have to move to carom from the 13 to the 11. If it moved back to the 11 after the hit on the 13, it's never going to go up the table.
I definitely acknowledge the logic of that, Bob, it was the reason that I replayed the video a half dozen times...trying to reconcile my eyes with what my mind was telling me. Still couldn't actually see it.
  
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09-10-2019, 09:58 PM

The 11 definitely moves first, I can only surmise that itís because it got hit first but from
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