1 ball in the side on the break, over and over again

L.S. Dennis

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I thought the main reason (or one of the main reasons) for Emily going to the nine on the spot and break from the box was to stop the wing ball continually going in the corner and thereby avoid one player dominating the table and thereby creating more 'interplay' between the players and make the match more interesting. Now it seems like another problem has popped up with this change in that players have figured how with a reduced speed and that 'cut' break seems to be making the one over and over. If I'm not mistaken didn't Ko Ping Chung do this overtime in his. 11-0 route of Yapp? Don't get me wrong Ping Chung was extraordinary no question so this is not about him personally but wasn't that move by Emily meant for just this sort of thing?

Maybe alternate breaks, and that 3 balls behind the kitchen line needs to be looked at to promote more interplay. Just some thoughts,,,,
 
I thought the main reason (or one of the main reasons) for Emily going to the nine on the spot and break from the box was to stop the wing ball continually going in the corner and thereby avoid one player dominating the table and thereby creating more 'interplay' between the players and make the match more interesting. Now it seems like another problem has popped up with this change in that players have figured how with a reduced speed and that 'cut' break seems to be making the one over and over. If I'm not mistaken didn't Ko Ping Chung do this overtime in his. 11-0 route of Yapp? Don't get me wrong Ping Chung was extraordinary no question so this is not about him personally but wasn't that move by Emily meant for just this sort of thing?

Maybe alternate breaks, and that 3 balls behind the kitchen line needs to be looked at to promote more interplay. Just some thoughts,,,,
I haven't seen many players do this consistently like Ko. He put on a clinic with that said these players are the best in the world they will figure out how to maximize on any break rule.
 
While the one was going in the side a large percentage, it was not nearly as regular as when the one was on the spot and they had a tight rack. Even with the one going in, control of the cue ball and the first shot was pretty random. Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone was playing intentional position on the two ball other than hoping to get the cue ball to the center of the table.
 
Yes, the automatic ball on the break is mostly back at the elite level.

BUT

In order to get it, the players are hitting the rack pretty hard, and very accurately, the CB is zig zagging across the table with a chance of scratching, the 9 gets good action once in a while, the shot on the next ball seems random and not guaranteed, and there are still some clusters to contend with.

Compare that to the Bird Break template rack days:

Super soft breaks
Players often pattern racked
Balls end up in the same spots on the table, so the outs look the same
Very little skill required to make the wing ball on the break
Shot on the 1 very probable
 
With the right speed and spin the head-ball can be made in the side quite often with practice and touch.
8-B, 9-B, 10-B, ...
And it does not mater if the head ball is on spot or main-ball is on spot.
 
You have to consider what problem they are solving. With 1 on the spot and a template rack, you have a recipe where players can make the wing ball AND control the exact position of the cueball and 1-ball creating a 100% controlled and repeatable break. The 3-point rule helped this for a short amount of time but was ultimately exploited. A break box helped for a short amount of time but was ultimately exploited. You can have a break scenario where a predictable ball goes down, the lowest ball is controlled, and the cueball is controlled. If you have all three then you have a major problem and we’ve seen events like this, e.g. the 2022 APF Asian Open and the 2023 China Open. Unwatchable.

So now consider the current rules with the 9 on the spot and small break box. The only predictable ball that can be made IS the lowest ball. And the only way to do that is with a cut break that sends the cueball wild. You can control it to have a good chance it stays within a zone of the table but you’re not fully controlling its exact position. And the lowest ball now is the 2-ball which will be racked in different places. There is some predictability to what zone it will rest in depending on its rack position. So there are some things the player can do to influence a good outcome but they can’t control it entirely. You have random collisions. This leads to more games that start with a push out or safety.

Even when Ko Ping Chung skunked Yapp, you can analyze the 2-balls rack position, the cueball resting position, 2-ball resting position, whether the first shot was pocketing the 2, safe or push. I did exactly that. He did make the 1 each time (you’re supposed to!) but he didn’t have a table run each time. He pocketed the 2 after the break about half the time (which is very strong) and the other half he outplayed his opponents by winning pushouts, winning safety battles, executing masterclass jumping skills, and not making routine mistakes.

His performance wasn’t something to look at and say “how do we prevent this?” It’s something to say “how can we celebrate this?” He rose to the occasion to a level that even if he can duplicate it, it means he just raised the bar for all of pool like Efren, like SVB, like Filler, etc. But odds are that god mode is probably more of a fluke at the perfect storybook moment. And that’s what Matchroom, their format and the US Open tradition produced: glory.
 
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Most of pro players are able to make the one ball in side two or three time in a row.
According to the his interview by big KO after the tournament, little Ko got better and better both in stroke and confidence since surviving from the Hill Hill match in loser bracket.
He just reached the "zone" on the final day.

It's just like Stephen Curry made the 3 point shot 30 times consecutively in practice, it seems reasonable.
For this case, it just happened in a big day and televised.
 
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if the break is anything less than random other than controlling the cueball, then it becomes a gimmick and not part of pool.
 
While the one was going in the side a large percentage, it was not nearly as regular as when the one was on the spot and they had a tight rack. Even with the one going in, control of the cue ball and the first shot was pretty random. Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone was playing intentional position on the two ball other than hoping to get the cue ball to the center of the table.
It's actually an easy fix. Just call the ball and the pocket on every shot...even on the break. You miss your call, you lose your turn. Reyes defeated Strickland in the Regency finals in 95 with 2 consecutive slop shots. If you make a ball on the break, you keep shooting. If you make the 9 on the break without calling the pocket, it's spotted.
 
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you need luck to pull that off. ko got lucky quite a few times with the position on the 2-ball. still very impressive feat.

the 1-ball on the spot break is a lot easier and not very reliant on luck. played correctly you make the wing ball on the same side of the table you're breaking from, have the 1-ball bank to the opposite long rail below the side pocket up to the corner you were breaking from. all you have to do is control the cb in the middle of the table.
 
We also have to remember the current break rules were voted in by the pro players. They knew in this format pocketing the 1 was a skill shot and most everything else had a random element. They picked this. We can react to seeing KPC make every 1-ball he shot at over two sets but they anticipated that. They also see that he had to push out or play safe on half the games in those sets. Meaning plenty of pool is being played. Yapp lost 11-0 without pocketing a ball but he also came to the table with more than enough opportunities to win a push out or work through a safety battle. He just happened to lose every one of those opportunities. Where normally each time a player wins one of those opportunities they have the chance to put 1, 2, 3, 6 or 10 games on the board with a little luck. But if you don’t seize any of those opportunities then you’re sitting in the chair hoping for a mistake that might not come.
 
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