1 pocket-need 1,bottom hole..

I was going to post what Bob Owen wrote, but I got tired of accidentally hitting the hyperlink in the middle of the cuetable and zipping off to some unknown webpage (losing my cuetable work in the process).

Anyway, bank the 1 toward your side with low-left and leave the CB near the opponents pocket. He can't respond with a flyer bank on the 4 without selling out the 2/3 with the CB (3-rails) or selling out the 1/2/3 if he kills the CB up table (1-rail).
 
senor said:
I like playing safe, but I think moving the one is preferred to leaving it there, as a couple of other posters have suggested. What they didn't suggest (and it probably does not matter, just my preference) is moving the cue ball to the 1st diamond on the long rail by my opponent's pocket. I think that way it would be hard for my opponent to try to move a ball to his side w/o giving up a shot. It looks like a tough spot either way for my opponent, but I do like keeping my opponent buried near his pocket with all the balls downtown near my side.
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In general, I agree with moving the ball uptable. Its a good shot. However in this situation, since the balls are all open and not on the head rail, a mistake in doing that could allow the opponent a small chance to bank one in and run out. I do NOT consider that small risk a risk worth taking. In this situation, I make absolutely sure to leave absolutely nothing with the bunt shot. If you knock the one up table a couple things could happen to leave a shot...a shot that my opponent who needs them all might just be happy to shoot. Like this for instance:

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Franky said:
In general, I agree with moving the ball uptable. Its a good shot. However in this situation, since the balls are all open and not on the head rail, a mistake in doing that could allow the opponent a small chance to bank one in and run out. I do NOT consider that small risk a risk worth taking. In this situation, I make absolutely sure to leave absolutely nothing with the bunt shot. If you knock the one up table a couple things could happen to leave a shot...a shot that my opponent who needs them all might just be happy to shoot. Like this for instance:

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I agree, which is why I like moving the cue ball on the long rail by my opponent's pocket. If the opponent decides to bank the 4 ball, I know that there's virtually no chance he gets straight in position or gets safe as a result. Your diagram is obviously worst case scenario because our opponent has a chance to make it, get straight in position, and get safe if he misses.

The main reason I don't like falling gently on top of the one ball is I think the response to that is my opponent will just slide off the one, leaving both the one and cue ball frozen or near the bottom rail and you looking up table for a defensive shot that should have been left for him. I think it's easier to dictate the game moving the one and the cue ball as discussed.
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
I myself would play the 1 ball safe 2 raisl up near the head rail......
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I like this option, I think kicking the one is an option if it is in the big ball position and you are not playing a champion for large dollars;) ;)
 
Thecoats said:
I like this option, I think kicking the one is an option if it is in the big ball position and you are not playing a champion for large dollars;) ;)
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IMO, kicking at the 1 is not a good option unless you only need 1 ball - and even then, it isn't the best shot.

You are shooting for a single ball with the kick. And if you miss it, it will either end up at the top of the table or will be a cross bank for your opponent. Kicks like this may work 1 in 20 (or less). And thems not good odds. Worst case is you hit the foot rail first, clip the top of the 1, and leave a cut shot on the 1. I've seen this happen more than making the 1...


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As many people have stated, if you are protecting your money, you shoot the 1 ball two rails up table.

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I am not a 1-pocket player so hopefully someone will tell me why this would be wron.

Why not just roll up to the right side of the 1 leaving both the 1 and the CB on the end rail...

The 3 balls up table are all in the way of each other... and the only thing available on the 1 would be thinning it toward my pocket...

And...It takes the bottom half of the CB away from my opponent...Which I would think would be a good thing.

I would think this would be an offensive way of putting my oppenent in a position to make a mistake on his next attempt.
 
senor said:
... The main reason I don't like falling gently on top of the one ball is I think the response to that is my opponent will just slide off the one, leaving both the one and cue ball frozen or near the bottom rail and you looking up table for a defensive shot that should have been left for him. I think it's easier to dictate the game moving the one and the cue ball as discussed.
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Well, how about instead when you roll onto the one ball to leave the cue ball at a 45-degree angle with the one relative to the foot rail? (Or straight in, as in the post just above.) This will also avoid leaving a one-rail kick on the one for his pocket.
 
When you are few balls ahead and there is not a free shot, under traditional rules you want to move all object balls towards the green zones and have the cb park inside the blue zones. I must admit I don't follow this idea all the time. I sometimes like the idea of leaving a tough bank to test my opponent's blood pressure. But I don't play pro players often enough to learn that idea just doesn't work.

What do you think?

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Nick B said:
This is the only offensive shot I like. Otherwise play the score and punt the one up table leaving your opponent on the rail and looking for a safety....still probably the best shot.

Nick
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i think this is exactly the right shot,especialy if you need more balls. kicks that far from the pocket usually leave banks if missed.
 
fan-tum said:

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anyone know how to double kiss the 1 ball in or very close to bottom hole? I can dbl. kiss it to my side, but would like to learn how to make it, if possible.
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I been playing for a short while and I really like the game....and I realize its hard to interpret the wei table exactly.

That said,if I can bank the two...and draw the rock back to the head rail along the same line its on (near my OP pocket) then I'm going for this shot.

Is it not two ways?
 
HollyWood said:
Why can't you just cut the ball in with rt english. Why give the other player anything rt'y know's that shot. I've seen guys cut that ball in from all the way up the table to the kitchen. mark
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With a shot like that you're flirting with defeat. It's not time to win the game here. Bank the one straight on freeze the rock moving the one up by the side. Don't find a way to lose here. JMHO philw
 
I appreciate all the good replies, but I guess what I was really driving at is finding someone who is adept at double or triple kisses to learn a little more about them-not necessarily in that situation I drew. I should have submitted a different example.
 
fan-tum said:
I appreciate all the good replies, but I guess what I was really driving at is finding someone who is adept at double or triple kisses to learn a little more about them-not necessarily in that situation I drew. I should have submitted a different example.
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The problem is that no one knows how to double kiss that ball into the pocket. Maybe it can't be done. Have you ever seen it done with the ball starting two diamonds from the pocket? I haven't.
 
fan-tum said:
I appreciate all the good replies, but I guess what I was really driving at is finding someone who is adept at double or triple kisses to learn a little more about them-not necessarily in that situation I drew. I should have submitted a different example.
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There was a local Don Rose that was very adept at this type of shot.

However he used it for a last ditch safety type play to leave both the CB and OB on opposing side rails...I stress last ditch because it is very difficult to control both balls....I think it was more of a novelty safe as there are usually more than one other option available.

In honesty...You have a much greater chance of scratching in the other corner than you do to make the OB...(IMO)

I will tell you humbly that I have played the above safe (by accident) a few times in my lifetime...:)

The problem is the forward roll momentum of the OB coming off the end rail will carry it uptable and the OB will be on the side rail in a bankable position.

I guess if you can figure out how to apply spin to the CB that applies draw spin to the OB as it comes off the rail there would be an opportunity to play that shot...

I think if you figure it out...you should keep it a secret since I doubt anyone else knows this shot...(on purpose with accuracy) :)
 
Bob Jewett said:
The problem is that no one knows how to double kiss that ball into the pocket. Maybe it can't be done. Have you ever seen it done with the ball starting two diamonds from the pocket? I haven't.
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Bob, the whole reason for my thread is,yes, it happened (I'm sure by accident) the other day. My opponent and I were scratching our heads for 5 minutes later. The more I think about it I think the 1 ball was between the first and second diamond and slighly off the rail. If we'd known it was going to happen, we'd have paid attention.
 
fan-tum said:
Bob, the whole reason for my thread is,yes, it happened (I'm sure by accident) the other day. My opponent and I were scratching our heads for 5 minutes later. The more I think about it I think the 1 ball was between the first and second diamond and slighly off the rail. If we'd known it was going to happen, we'd have paid attention.
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Can you remember the stroke that was applied...Was it a hard draw stoke that the CB did not get out of the way???

That is the only way I can guess this type of shot would go...
 
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