10-ball break -- corner balls wired?

[Bob Jewett]

One thing to notice about the 10-ball break is in this break by Appleton: http://youtu.be/LS9AhcORLg8?t=14m19s

Notice what happens to the two corner balls. At one Super Billiard Expo, Souquet was making one of the corner balls most of the time in the match I watched. Of course there is a lot of traffic to avoid, but it is remarkable how often those balls go.

 

[backplaying]

You have to be fairly lucky not to get a kiss in all the traffic, but if you notice in three ball its the same thing with less traffic. I have also noticed people like Corey who at times seems to make the 1 in the side many times. The corner balls and the 1 are about the only balls one could call making.

 

[randallt6]

I find the corner balls often go 4 rails in the same corner and the 2nd balls go in the side pretty often as well.

 

[Txstang1]

I must say, for me the hardest table to make a ball on the break in 10 ball is a bar table. On a bar table I usually just play the one in the side and hope !

 

[Paul Schofield]

Bob, This is just more of the same (Nine or Ten-Ball). The wired ball is rack-dependent. That is and has posed big problems for our short games. The ball-on-the-break is either slopped or a result of a rack-rigging operation. It has to stop.

Here is the proven easy fix: http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/no-conflict-rules/

We should not be starting our short games with a required slopped or wired ball.

 

[Baxter]

When breaking 10 ball with the Magic Rack, I break to make either of the two balls behind the head ball in the side pockets. I've got it down to around an 80% success rate. I've been experimenting with breaking the 8 ball rack the same way, with moderate success so far.

 

[CreeDo]

Does anyone else kinda roll their eyes every time Paul does that?

Bob: yeah, it's a dead 3 railer. It depends on speed, really hard breakers can actually shorten it up too much. But when I play on good equipment with my lame 19-20ish mph break it goes reliably. Last night, it was saving me when the 2nd row ball kept going low or high.

What I hate is, often it gets kissed out... by the 2nd row ball. So the 2 balls most likely to go in will often ruin each other.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

One thing to notice about the 10-ball break is in this break by Appleton: http://youtu.be/LS9AhcORLg8?t=14m19s

Notice what happens to the two corner balls. At one Super Billiard Expo, Souquet was making one of the corner balls most of the time in the match I watched. Of course there is a lot of traffic to avoid, but it is remarkable how often those balls go.

People don't like 9-ball because of the wired wing ball in the corner. They don't like it because all you need to do is hit the rack and the ball almost always goes in. In 10 ball the only 'wired' ball is the one behind the one ball, and even then that's not a 100% make shot. How dare you even imply that a ball that goes 4 rails and in be considered wired.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

I wouldn't consider it problematical that a ball may be "wired" after traveling 4 rails in the 10 ball rack. While it's been known for a while the shot is doable, they were playing on a tapped table, not racking from a triangle. In any event, do to the nature of the shot and all the traffic, I wouldn't call this exactly wired, like wing ball in 9 ball anyway.

Now if we start to see Appleton and others playing this shot off the opening break in straight pool, then we got a problem.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... How dare you even imply that a ball that goes 4 rails and in be considered wired?

It's neither illegal nor expensive. Why not do it if it's fun?

As mentioned above, the corner balls at 3 ball are known to be more or less wired and subject to adjustment with speed. If Corey Deuel were offering an even money bet that he could make one of the corner balls on the break, would you bet against? I think not.

Which is more irritating, rhetorical questions or answers to rhetorical questions?

So the bar tender asks Rene Descartes if he'd like another glass of wine. Rene answers, "I think not." And poof, he's gone.

Did you hear the one about the Dalai Lama and the hot dog stand? But I digress.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Now if we start to see Appleton and others playing this shot off the opening break in straight pool, then we got a problem.

CB on the left side of the table at the diamond right above the side pocket.

Hit the 2nd ball, while aiming at the middle ball (where the 8 would be in an 8ball rack). Hit it at a firm medium speed, you can make the bottom row corner ball in the top right corner.

If the CB is past the 1st diamond above the side pocket, but no further than the 2nd diamond, you would hit the 3rd ball in the rack.

Obviously it's not something to do in a match since it's not exactly 100%, but experiment with it and you can probably get it to go more than half the time.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Obviously it's not something to do in a match since it's not exactly 100%, but experiment with it and you can probably get it to go more than half the time.

I think if it's 60% you have to shoot it unless you have a safety available that is more than 60% to get you the first open shot. If I'm playing Efren, for example, I think I'm not 60% to get the first shot from a series of safety plays, so I'd go for the full-rack "trick" shot. (If I knew it and trusted the table, of course.)