13-yr-old nephew questions

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So he is now growing up, becomes interested in pocket billiards, partly because of [my] supposed skill which is thus innate in him, naturally by genetics, and what to do? This vacation I mention I wouldn't mind doing a little something about teaching the game... immediate jump to I am giving him a cue.

First things first, he is a good student, chess player, athlete, involved in invitational baseball games as pitcher in St. Louis now, and has fears but faces them and has courage. His family nickname is "Bear Bait", derived from an incident 2 years ago in Colorado after our heads were filled with stories of that years bad weather/little forage for bears so breaking into cars and eating dead homeless people and entering homes to get needed food. Driving home we almost rammed a lanky brown bear headed over the mountain and 300 yards towards the cabin. After arrival and the SUV loaded with females still buzzing over the sighting... SOMEONE had to get out of the car first in the dark to open the cabin door, risking attack... so I turn to 11yr-old Rowan, and say, "you first, Bear Bait..." Some might have wilted into a puddle of pee and tears, but he looks at me... thinks... and then gets out of the car and opens the door and turns on the lights... Thoughtful, mindful, and brave. Challenge. Thought. Correct response. A good kid, methinks, ready for the pressure of billiards played well. Grades improved following confidence gained in sports and social standing derived therefrom. He's a smart jock now, a handsome blonde and destined for 6'3" or more to boot. Ooohhh la la, girls watch out.

On the Cue issue, should an uncle present a 13-yr old with a decent oldie with history starter production cue? Or let him play with junk off the wall first everywhere, as I learned so one can appreciate what makes one cue better than another, eventually getting his own starter cue once he has "bought into" the game and decided he is a player, at, say, age 19 or so (not so curiously when I purchased my first second-hand production Mali I am considering giving to him... 26 years ago...) he might well lightly treat his first stick, or it gets stolen, warped... sold for $15 for crack cocaine.... not that I think he will, but teenage years are fraught with wildly possible outcomes and misplaced trust in choices of friendship.

Would I hold it slightly against him if something, perhaps beyond his youthful control illusion, happened to the cue I still retain fondly? Uhm, yes, slightly I might blame him a bit... so buy nothing, or something I still might develop slight grudge about money wasted etc.? Wait for appreciation and proper respect for tools of the trade to develop before giving him "my first-bought-cue"? Never ever giving up "my first"? (Even though it is a pretty production Mali circa 1977...)

Three options.

1. Instructions only at this point, cue is truly unimportant at this stage.

2. Should I greatly assist him an getting an inexpensive production starter cue for say less than <$200 (ancilliary point, which brand gives fair value... and before answering this, first answer Q1 before saying "do like me, this cue is best...."

3. or should I just close my eyes and give him my old (1978 era Mali, which I like the burl maple and looks of and am happy to store, my first cue and all, even though I won't be playing with it (so essentially useless though pretty junk) ever again (having moved on to custom cues of increasing values over the years)? (the "free option")

The nephew awaits.
 
Life is full of tough choices....

Kevin said:
So he is now growing up, becomes interested in pocket billiards, partly because of [my] supposed skill which is thus innate in him, naturally by genetics, and what to do? This vacation I mention I wouldn't mind doing a little something about teaching the game... immediate jump to I am giving him a cue.

First things first, he is a good student, chess player, athlete, involved in invitational baseball games as pitcher in St. Louis now, and has fears but faces them and has courage. His family nickname is "Bear Bait", derived from an incident 2 years ago in Colorado after our heads were filled with stories of that years bad weather/little forage for bears so breaking into cars and eating dead homeless people and entering homes to get needed food. Driving home we almost rammed a lanky brown bear headed over the mountain and 300 yards towards the cabin. After arrival and the SUV loaded with females still buzzing over the sighting... SOMEONE had to get out of the car first in the dark to open the cabin door, risking attack... so I turn to 11yr-old Rowan, and say, "you first, Bear Bait..." Some might have wilted into a puddle of pee and tears, but he looks at me... thinks... and then gets out of the car and opens the door and turns on the lights... Thoughtful, mindful, and brave. Challenge. Thought. Correct response. A good kid, methinks, ready for the pressure of billiards played well. Grades improved following confidence gained in sports and social standing derived therefrom. He's a smart jock now, a handsome blonde and destined for 6'3" or more to boot. Ooohhh la la, girls watch out.

On the Cue issue, should an uncle present a 13-yr old with a decent oldie with history starter production cue? Or let him play with junk off the wall first everywhere, as I learned so one can appreciate what makes one cue better than another, eventually getting his own starter cue once he has "bought into" the game and decided he is a player, at, say, age 19 or so (not so curiously when I purchased my first second-hand production Mali I am considering giving to him... 26 years ago...) he might well lightly treat his first stick, or it gets stolen, warped... sold for $15 for crack cocaine.... not that I think he will, but teenage years are fraught with wildly possible outcomes and misplaced trust in choices of friendship.

Would I hold it slightly against him if something, perhaps beyond his youthful control illusion, happened to the cue I still retain fondly? Uhm, yes, slightly I might blame him a bit... so buy nothing, or something I still might develop slight grudge about money wasted etc.? Wait for appreciation and proper respect for tools of the trade to develop before giving him "my first-bought-cue"? Never ever giving up "my first"? (Even though it is a pretty production Mali circa 1977...)

Three options.

1. Instructions only at this point, cue is truly unimportant at this stage.

2. Should I greatly assist him an getting an inexpensive production starter cue for say less than <$200 (ancilliary point, which brand gives fair value... and before answering this, first answer Q1 before saying "do like me, this cue is best...."

3. or should I just close my eyes and give him my old (1978 era Mali, which I like the burl maple and looks of and am happy to store, my first cue and all, even though I won't be playing with it (so essentially useless though pretty junk) ever again (having moved on to custom cues of increasing values over the years)? (the "free option")

The nephew awaits.

Kevin,
Great post. Tough questions indeed. Off the top of my head, my answer to number 1 is to show him how to pick out a house cue when he goes to the pool room. When he asks you why you have your own cue, tell him it comes with time invested in the game. Tell him the story of how you bought your first cue and how special it is to you. Help him to understand the reverence you have for the game. And you'll be showing him what makes a cue acceptable for use (proper tip shape for example).

And perhaps if he shows the willingness to invest his own time and attention in learning the basic mechanics from his uncle and showing said uncle that he's serious, then uncle may wish to give him his old, trusty first cue. He'll understand it's importance to you and to himself as well and give it the respect it deserves.

Or uncle may wish to find out how serious nephew is when he starts saving his own money for his first cue and asks uncle to help him pick it out. Then you can offer some cash assistance and recommendations for same.

In any case, you get to spend time with what sounds like a fine young man with a bright future and a an uncle who cares a lot about him!

Best regards,
Brian in VA
 
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Brian in VA said:
Off the top of my head, my answer to number 1 is to show him how to pick out a house cue when he goes to the pool room. When he asks you why you have your own cue, tell him it comes with time invested in the game. Tell him the story of how you bought your first cue and how special it is to you. Help him to understand the reverence you have for the game. And you'll be showing him what makes a cue acceptable for use (proper tip shape for example).

ditto. fantastic advice.
 
Kevin said:
1. Instructions only at this point, cue is truly unimportant at this stage.

2. Should I greatly assist him an getting an inexpensive production starter cue for say less than <$200 (ancilliary point, which brand gives fair value... and before answering this, first answer Q1 before saying "do like me, this cue is best...."

3. or should I just close my eyes and give him my old (1978 era Mali, which I like the burl maple and looks of and am happy to store, my first cue and all, even though I won't be playing with it (so essentially useless though pretty junk) ever again (having moved on to custom cues of increasing values over the years)? (the "free option")

The nephew awaits.

Here is the opinion of the 21 yr old professional amateur:

Instruction is good, but getting to know your cue is vital. Ever since i ruined the shaft on my Pred SPWU, i've not played the same since. From what you said in your post, it seems that you REALLY want to get him a cue. I would suggest starting him off with a Player's cue. Low cost, GREAT playability. As for giving him your Mali, i wouldn't, at least not yet. You never know what may happen and as you've stated, he'll be going through his teen years, and if he ends up not loving the game as much as you do the stick could end up collecting dust, without the love you give it. Wether it be a Balabushka, Mcdermott, Meucci, players, etc. chances are he will cherish a stick no matter what, because YOU gave it to him. You've already been his heart and his professor in the game, and if that is true, he'll love anything more that you bestow upon him.

Chris
 
My opinion, meet him halfway on the cost of a production cue such as a low end Predator or Joss or maybe Schon. If he has to put some work into it to earn the money for it, then it will probably mean more to him than having someone give him a cue. When your own money goes into something, you tend to take better care of it. Yes, I would get him a cue...house cues are just not the best to learn with...regardless of what anyone says. Even a Dufferin two piece is better than a house cue 99% of the time.
 
Kevin said:
So he is now growing up, becomes interested in pocket billiards, partly because of [my] supposed skill which is thus innate in him, naturally by genetics, and what to do? This vacation I mention I wouldn't mind doing a little something about teaching the game... immediate jump to I am giving him a cue.

First things first, he is a good student, chess player, athlete, involved in invitational baseball games as pitcher in St. Louis now, and has fears but faces them and has courage. His family nickname is "Bear Bait", derived from an incident 2 years ago in Colorado after our heads were filled with stories of that years bad weather/little forage for bears so breaking into cars and eating dead homeless people and entering homes to get needed food. Driving home we almost rammed a lanky brown bear headed over the mountain and 300 yards towards the cabin. After arrival and the SUV loaded with females still buzzing over the sighting... SOMEONE had to get out of the car first in the dark to open the cabin door, risking attack... so I turn to 11yr-old Rowan, and say, "you first, Bear Bait..." Some might have wilted into a puddle of pee and tears, but he looks at me... thinks... and then gets out of the car and opens the door and turns on the lights... Thoughtful, mindful, and brave. Challenge. Thought. Correct response. A good kid, methinks, ready for the pressure of billiards played well. Grades improved following confidence gained in sports and social standing derived therefrom. He's a smart jock now, a handsome blonde and destined for 6'3" or more to boot. Ooohhh la la, girls watch out.

On the Cue issue, should an uncle present a 13-yr old with a decent oldie with history starter production cue? Or let him play with junk off the wall first everywhere, as I learned so one can appreciate what makes one cue better than another, eventually getting his own starter cue once he has "bought into" the game and decided he is a player, at, say, age 19 or so (not so curiously when I purchased my first second-hand production Mali I am considering giving to him... 26 years ago...) he might well lightly treat his first stick, or it gets stolen, warped... sold for $15 for crack cocaine.... not that I think he will, but teenage years are fraught with wildly possible outcomes and misplaced trust in choices of friendship.

Would I hold it slightly against him if something, perhaps beyond his youthful control illusion, happened to the cue I still retain fondly? Uhm, yes, slightly I might blame him a bit... so buy nothing, or something I still might develop slight grudge about money wasted etc.? Wait for appreciation and proper respect for tools of the trade to develop before giving him "my first-bought-cue"? Never ever giving up "my first"? (Even though it is a pretty production Mali circa 1977...)

Three options.

1. Instructions only at this point, cue is truly unimportant at this stage.

2. Should I greatly assist him an getting an inexpensive production starter cue for say less than <$200 (ancilliary point, which brand gives fair value... and before answering this, first answer Q1 before saying "do like me, this cue is best...."

3. or should I just close my eyes and give him my old (1978 era Mali, which I like the burl maple and looks of and am happy to store, my first cue and all, even though I won't be playing with it (so essentially useless though pretty junk) ever again (having moved on to custom cues of increasing values over the years)? (the "free option")

The nephew awaits.
I'd let him pick out a cheap stick with a maple shaft and good ferrule. I used to have one of those Mali's, you can send yours to me, lol!

unknownpro
 
janecki84 said:
Here is the opinion of the 21 yr old professional amateur:

Instruction is good, but getting to know your cue is vital. Ever since i ruined the shaft on my Pred SPWU, i've not played the same since.
Chris

I think this is the reason why a person should be able to learn to play with just any old cue.

When messing around I have been known to break with a house cue and play the first five or six shots of my run out with the house cue, then switch to my own.

I played for a year before I bought my own cue, now I can play snooker or pool with any thing almost as well as I can with my Falcon.
 
Kevin,
I think responsibilities ought to be handed out to children / teens in moderation until they have proven themselves to be adequately responsible.

If your nephew is a typical 13 year old, and gets into the pool scene, it's more than likely that the cue will get lost, stolen, damaged or traded at some stage. And if that does happen, it may form a guilt / blame barrier that won't easily go away.

I don't think it would do him any harm to play with a mediocre / cheaper stick while he learns the game and learns how to become responsible looking after it.

If after a couple of years he shows responsibility and a serious attitude toward the game, then he has earned the right to become the guardian of your treasured cue.

edit: One more thing I thought of is the typical teen situation that is likely to arise, where your nephew will be hesitant to share his cue with his buddies who don't know how to handle it...perhaps they enjoy spinning the cue around. He might say his uncle advised him not to share the cue, which is likely to invite riducule, teasing etc. Teens can be cruel, and often are so when they realise that someone treasures something, they see it is a a weakness that can be targeted. Sometimes it just ain't fun to stand out when you're young.

Colin
 
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As an educator of HS students, I might add that I would procede as far and fast as THEIR interest will allow. At that age and coming ages there is usually lots of interests for them to spend their time on and some come and go. I would hold off the Mali until he shows a lot of interest and skill in the game, and/or willing to practice the skills needed. Other than that, I would educate him as fast as he is willing because the sooner the better.

HTH, JMO, FWIW:)
 
Brian in VA said:
Kevin,
Great post. Tough questions indeed. Off the top of my head, my answer to number 1 is to show him how to pick out a house cue when he goes to the pool room. When he asks you why you have your own cue, tell him it comes with time invested in the game. Tell him the story of how you bought your first cue and how special it is to you. Help him to understand the reverence you have for the game. And you'll be showing him what makes a cue acceptable for use (proper tip shape for example).

And perhaps if he shows the willingness to invest his own time and attention in learning the basic mechanics from his uncle and showing said uncle that he's serious, then uncle may wish to give him his old, trusty first cue. He'll understand it's importance to you and to himself as well and give it the respect it deserves.

Or uncle may wish to find out how serious nephew is when he starts saving his own money for his first cue and asks uncle to help him pick it out. Then you can offer some cash assistance and recommendations for same.

In any case, you get to spend time with what sounds like a fine young man with a bright future and a an uncle who cares a lot about him!

Best regards,
Brian in VA

An exceptional post to which I have nothing to add. Well said.
 
Brian in VA said:
Kevin,
Great post. Tough questions indeed. Off the top of my head, my answer to number 1 is to show him how to pick out a house cue when he goes to the pool room. When he asks you why you have your own cue, tell him it comes with time invested in the game. Tell him the story of how you bought your first cue and how special it is to you. Help him to understand the reverence you have for the game. And you'll be showing him what makes a cue acceptable for use (proper tip shape for example).Brian in VA


I like this. Prophetic post.
 
Thanks for the input folks

Considering the great advice you folks have provided, and re-reading my initial concerns, I have decided my Mali stays home for now, and he learns off-the-wall cue selection and basics for starters.

As Colin pointed out, it would be an added burden dealing with "friends" that might treat a special stick lightly, he just doesn't need that potential negative pressure in the early stages from me or friends. However, learning to discriminate between "friends" and "aquaintances" you come to understand are really JERKS is part of the formative teenage years, as I vividly recall. Getting screwed over on something important tends to leave a residue of mistrust and wariness that are perhaps our most valuable survival experiences.

Over time, and as he develops his game, it may yet be a gift, perhaps even after his "first" starter cue I would be happy to help him out on.

Thanks again, and be seeing some of you in Kansas City or Ventura, California July/Aug, and at the DCC Jan. 2006.

Kevin
 
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