14.1 at Valley Forge

Its easy to sit back, find fault and criticize than to offer sincere help.

As President John F Kennedy would have said, if he played straight pool. No empirical evidence that he didn't.

Ask Not What 14.1 Challenge Free Video Streaming (sponsored by Inside Magazine) Can Do For You, Ask What You Can Do to Help Make it Better Next Year.
 
Sausage,

These guys traveled down from NY at their own expense (Charlie even donated $1K out of his own pocket), put in tireless hours planning and running this event, got nothing in return except the gratification of success, and all you can do is rag on their commentary???????????

So they're not "professional" commentators. So what??? Didn't you still get to see the match? (for free I might add)

I'm sure they are both aware by now of your opinion of their "substandard" commentary. I also noticed in your complaint that you seem to have an advanced knowledge of the game. I mean, you knew Appleton was going to scratch on a certain shot, right? Well then, why don't you make the trip up next year and get in the booth? I'm sure they'd love to have you. I guess what I'm trying to say is, what did you contribute to this event? I know I didn't attend either year, either (I'm a divorced dad, and both years it fell on weekends I had my kids), but at least I gave a small financial contribution each year. You didn't even do that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that for all the time, effort, and planning these guys put into this to make it happen while you contributed nothing except negative posts bashing their commentary is just plain wrong. And that's why you got the red rep I sent you.

--Lance (Winston846)
 
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everyone seems to be missing the point which is common around here. it wasn't for lack of sleep or other excuses that the commentary was in la la land.

i'm not expecting howard cosell just someone who is interested in the game. see, when they introduce the "commentators" a reasonable person just might expect them to actually comment ON THE GAME.

everyone here circles their wagons and prepares for a fight rather than acknowledging the truth of my criticism and vowing to do better in the future. fact is, the commentators didn't even know anything was amiss before my post. i did this event a service by speaking up on this issue. and guess what, i will bet my bottom dollar that next years event will have better commentary as a result. i'll take my thanks in PM's.....

and RonF: i'm not sure what "blowtard" means but if you would like to explain it to me in person, i'm in north port, florida.


You know what man normally I wouldn't do this but Im just going to come right out and say screw you.

What we did down there was great. We are not professional commentators and the stream was provided to us by the people at Inside Pool. If you don't like it don't watch it. In truth I dont care if you do or not because the other 354 out of 355 all seemed pretty pleased with it.

As I said I would love to see your event when it happens. Oh wait thats right you don't do anything to further our sport except complain and nag about commentary. So I'll tell you what Ill keep producing events that host well over 100 players and pays out over 4k in prize money boasts an all star field that hosted Nick Varner this year who is a hall of famer, an amateur prize pool as well and of course we did it all in a four day spectrum as opposed to other events who do it in a much longer time frame. You're a nit and you are a waste of oxygen that could be going to a more valuable human being. So again as I said you are entitled to your opinion as you sit in your mother's basement typing strong opinions that guess what none of us give a shit about including your garbage table that has nothing to do with 14.1 except the title.

So I will put it simply aside from complaining and nagging what have you done lately ? Oh and as for circling the wagons well I guess you don't understand the point of the friendship and respect we have all seem to have built up around here. As for vowing to do better are you f u c k ing insane? I'm seriously asking are you insane who the hell asks that? The only thing Im going to do is vow to keep on producing this event for the people who actually appreciate and care about it.
 
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Incredible

Two ordinary guys on a pool forum come up with a quite ambitious idea. They want to stage an event at the biggest and best pool and billiard show in the country that showcases the topic of this forum, straight pool. So, they front what they can of their own cash and volunteer a ton of time, effort and expertise to procure the rest of the financing they think they’ll need through public and private donations. They reach out to every business, inside and outside the billiard industry, which they can think of that would be interested in sponsorships. They receive donations from table manufacturers, production cue makers, custom cue makers, pool table cloth manufacturers, pool rooms, etc. Ultimately, they come up with enough capital to make their idea a reality. They contact Allen Hopkins and earn enough respect and credibility from him to procure not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 booth spaces to hold their event at his Expo. They take time off from work to show up a day before the Expo starts to set up the arena for the event. They do well enough the first year to allow them to expand from 2 full size table to 3 in just the second year. They pull in over 100 entries, including Hall of Famer Nick Varner, five former US Open Champions (Appleton, Immonen, Pagulayan, Schmidt and Varner) and scores of other amateur and professional players. They sit at their booth manning it, recording scores and playing referee from 11:00 am until 4:00, 5:00 even 6:00 the next morning. Sometimes it’s completely boring, other times there are so many people crowding around the booth that they have to become policemen to avoid their crowd from interfering with neighboring booths. They asked for and received access to the Convention Center’s public address system and make regular announcements to the entire Expo promoting the event. They acquire permission to hold the final match between two former US Open 9 Ball Champions in the Expo’s Main Arena and obtain the go ahead from Inside Pool to use their equipment to stream and provide commentary of the final match live to the world at no cost to anyone who wants to watch.

They’ve done all this not for the pay, as they receive nothing monetary in exchange for their efforts, not for the recognition, but to promote the game of straight pool and for the enjoyment of straight pool players and fans (all of us). And after doing all of this, the only thing one member of this forum can do is criticize them for the commentary of the final match. That’s simply incredible.
 
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everyone seems to be missing the point which is common around here. it wasn't for lack of sleep or other excuses that the commentary was in la la land.

i'm not expecting howard cosell just someone who is interested in the game. see, when they introduce the "commentators" a reasonable person just might expect them to actually comment ON THE GAME.

everyone here circles their wagons and prepares for a fight rather than acknowledging the truth of my criticism and vowing to do better in the future. fact is, the commentators didn't even know anything was amiss before my post. i did this event a service by speaking up on this issue. and guess what, i will bet my bottom dollar that next years event will have better commentary as a result. i'll take my thanks in PM's.....

and RonF: i'm not sure what "blowtard" means but if you would like to explain it to me in person, i'm in north port, florida.

FWIW, I spoke to both Steve and Charlie and offered to come out to VF and help out with the commentary - IF NEEDED. I wasn't getting paid - I knew that - The trip would have cost over $2K - I would have still slept on the floor - ate potato chips for breakfast - but I was willing to do it for Steve and Charlie. Unavoidable scheduling conflicts kept me from attending. I also offered to add in commentary after the event - IF NEEDED - for FREE.

I'd do anything to help out Steve and Charlie because they go the extra mile when others give in to discouragement.

I respect that.

Having watched a few of the matches from the stream, I think the commentary is fine and it should stay the way it is.

Steve and Charlie - if you guys need those videos scored, I'll still do it for free. I believe that the mass consensus is that the original commentary is awesome, and should remain. I kindly rescind my offer and tip my hat to all of your hard work and persistence. Keep up the great work! When it comes to promoting the game of 14.1, you guys are leading the way!
 
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Blowtard

I've hung out with him since 8th grade, and I'm not even sure what that means... :confused:

I saw it used in a post by JCIN and thought it appropriate considering the height of ignorance and stupidity needed to make such a comment about the commentary of a match and not say one thing good about anything else regarding the Straight Pool Challenge. Don't know the exact definition or if it's actually a recognized word, but in my opinion it means incredibly dumb.
 
I saw it used in a post by JCIN and thought it appropriate considering the height of ignorance and stupidity needed to make such a comment about the commentary of a match and not say one thing good about anything else regarding the Straight Pool Challenge. Don't know the exact definition or if it's actually a recognized word, but in my opinion it means incredibly dumb.

I thought that was what the word nit was for...
 
Just saw this thread... I haven't listened to the commentary or seen the matches yet (I definitely will), but Sausage is way out of line. These guys and a gal produced a wonderful event and it took simply a herculean effort. They could barely stand up when this match started, and yet they still took time to narrate the match. Incredible.

It's not even the critique that is so out of line (which it is), but it's the vitriol with which you spewed it. There is an element of disgust in your post which is truly upsetting and not at all deserved. I don't get it.

- Steve
 
Commentary Basher

ok, i turned on the sound for a bit and nothing has changed with the commentary. then schmidt misses a gimmie 2ball in the corner pocket which was HUGE after getting the rack back on a scratch by appleton that was the exact same scratch that schmidt previously made. that's pretty incredible for such strong players. but again..... the commentators aren't paying attention.

ok, now the commentary is even worse, which i though would be impossible. appleton missing a shot giving schmidt the rack and the commentators say NOTHING about it but just keep talking about themselves. incredible! mind boggling.... this is supposed to get people interested in 14.1. i don't think so....

ok at 1:02:25 i'm watching appleton and thinking that if he takes that 5ball? next to the 10ball, he's going to have to be concerned about the scratch in the corner or draw back off the rail. the commentators are in never never land. then appleton scratches in the corner which was an incredible mistake for such a great player.

Steve/Charlie,

You're not special so don't think you are...

Posted 2-23-2011 by sausage:

"yesterday i watched some of the streaming TAR 10ball. i enjoyed the matches but the commentary was abysmal. a spectacular carom on the 10ball was made winning the game and all the guy in the booth could muster was a muted; "wow"

with all of the attention being paid to attracting new viewers to the sport of pool, they should start by getting some commentators who are actually of the living or AT LEAST paying attention to the game rather than wandering off on a foggy tangent.

i got so disgusted that i tried watching without sound but eventually closed the window. what does this say about how pool is being marketed when even avid pool players can't watch."

Jason handled it well.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=221520
 
Charlie, Steve and Heather, you should all stop paying attention to this sausage character. It is obvious to all that you produced a great event. It is also obvious that sausage's opinion has been affected by the extreme lack of oxygen to his brain. He is suffering from this lack of oxygen because his head is stuck so far up his butt that he can't breathe.
 
sausage

I have been on AZ now for two years and have observed sausage (I use small letters b/c he does not deserve capitals) use negative comments on almost everyone here on the Forum: He lives for it, that is what his Life is all about.
He is the one who posted Danny Harriman's mug shot on the Forum.
He started with me b/c I complained about another person using a neg. political cartoon for their avatar.
He wanted to hang Sascha from the beginning.
He started with Sean (Sflsinen). So many times that I can not even remember what all the comments were about.
Now he is on, a few of the players who work their hearts out to promote straight pool.
There are many more negative comments about lesser players shooting abilities.
He has a history of negativity. Like I said that is what his Life is all about.
He knows so much, but I have yet seen a 14 ball run posted from him.
I told him awhile back that his true colors will come out and that everyone would see him for what he really is. It is a shame.


PS: When I first became a member here on AZ and was reading all his negative comments on different players. I knew what he was about right from the start. I found out that he lived 50 mins from where I played in my straight pool league. (I live 60 mins away). I sent him a pm to see if he would meet me there to play b/c I wanted to see if he could back up his mouth. He would never return my pm. That saids a lot about him.
 
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PS: When I first became a member here on AZ and was reading all his negative comments on different players. I knew what he was about right from the start. I found out that he lived 50 mins from where I played in my straight pool league. (I live 60 mins away). I sent him a pm to see if he would meet me there to play b/c I wanted to see if he could back up his mouth. He would never return my pm. That saids a lot about him.

i don't recall that at all.... i'll got back through my PM's but i think you're full of crap like most dallAss cops.
 
You know what man normally I wouldn't do this but Im just going to come right out and say screw you.

hey doughboy.... i'd love for you to be so bold to my face. i lost respect for you after reading that thread you and steve made. and lipsky thinks I'M out of line.
 
ok, mr. dallASS cop: here's the last PM i got from you. looks like i've outed another BULLSHITER!!!

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mike:

we've had our disagreements but i don't carry them with me to new threads. i hope that you feel the same way. no hard feelings on my end.

tim

I get mad at stuff once in a while but I always forgive & put it pass me within time. It would have to be something major not to forgive (like cheating on your videos and bragging about how good you are "Sascha").
All is forgotten. Thanks for PM-ing me.
 
i've got some more gems in my mailbox folks for anyone who's interested.

lipsky: you will see who here is 'out of line' soon....
 
hey doughboy.... i'd love for you to be so bold to my face. i lost respect for you after reading that thread you and steve made. and lipsky thinks I'M out of line.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What are you 12? Bold to your face ? lol Are you going to push me in the sandbox at 3 after school also? lol

You are a joke man plain and simple and you make me laugh so hard it hurts.

You lost respect for me thats friggin hilarious considering I never had any for you to begin with after reading all the crap you've posted.

Here's an idea get off your ass and go do something in the pool world worth something. Go put on an event, go run a league, go teach someone something with your apparent infinite knowledge.

Doughboy, thats hilarious and you're right I totally am. Guess that one didn't have the intended sting huh. Oh you might want to call me lunch box or fat ass too lol Wow well done.

As i said you're a joke and in truth make me laugh so hard it hurts when I think of you.

Oh and by the way you're welcome for the free match featuring two incredible pool stars.
 
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ok, mr. dallASS cop: here's the last PM i got from you. looks like i've outed another BULLSHITER!!!

Actually you would be the bullshitter as this has nothing to do with him asking you to play and as you said it's the "last" pm you got from him not the only one.
 
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