15% off Harbor Freight 11-21 thru 11-23
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People are no more or less selfish or stupid than they were 70 years ago, but that the manner in which business is conducted over the last 30 years (virtually unregulated globalization) has created a situation in which individual selfishness and stupidity have terrible national consequences.
eddieindetroit said:
Huh?????????????????????????
poolplayer2093 said:
"A workman is worthy of his wage. If you try to get around that by buying imports from a low wage nation, then karma comes and bites you in the ass by lowering your wages. Then you can't afford to keep up the mortgage payments, credit card payments, car payments and utilities. Then the banks start having a 'sub-prime' mortgage crisis. Then the major banks in Europe and the USA begin writing off huge losses. Then Ben Bernake has to call an emergency meeting to lower the interest rates. Then your national currency starts to crash in value because you aren't making anything anymore to trade with the foreigners, and the foreigners begin to refuse to accept your more and more worth less currency. Pretty soon, stores in New York City start accepting foreign currency because they trust it more.
Then the tax base of the cities and towns start to erode because the factories that used to pay taxes, and used to pay high wages to potential taxpayers, have been moved overseas. Then the municipalities start to go bankrupt, and have to start cutting back on social services, like emergency room care, ambulance, schools, police and fire fighters. Then municipal bonds start to default, which causes even more financial difficulties.
Then the big banks, in desparation, turn to the sovereign funds of the nations to where the factories have been moved, because they have some cash, because, after all, they are still making things to sell and get cash. But then, the funds that the big banks get from these foreign investors is just too small to cover the huge global losses. And the system continues to sink, and the foreigners lose money on their investments.
The USA, who is living on borrowed money, because its citizens are also living on borrowed money, and so they sell treasury bonds to the foreigners. That is,they monetize the debt by selling it to foreigners. But then the USA can't back up the debt, and pay off the foreign holders of the T bills, because the USA doesn't make anything to sell to make money. The foreigners aren't too happy about this, and consider that a default on payment is tatamount to a declaration of war. So they get ready to invade the USA.
Meanwhile, things aren't looking so peacefull on the domestic front, as people lose their jobs and homes, and go live in their car, someplace where they hope the bank can't find it to repo it. They begin to get a little upset at all that has happened to them. They kind of figure they have been lied to by some peole that they trusted. Especially ones in government.
So then things start to get really nasty, as folks start to strip the copper out of their soon to be foreclosed home to sell for a little food. And later, folks start burning them down, for good measure. Food quickly gets more and more expensive because it is extensively dependent at all stages of production upon imported oil, which is quickly getting more and more expensive, and while wages are going lower and lower. Pretty soon, food riots and looting breaks out.
And as you are hiding in your car - cold, hungry and sick - out along a road someplace, with an empty tank, watching flames come up from the town you used to live in, and hoping the foreign looking troops coming down the road don't see you, and capture you, to put you into a work camp, like the ones that made the products that you used to buy, because you wanted to save a few bucks, don't you wish that you had bought Made in USA?" art_deco_machine 3/2008
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So the Dow is in free fall because some dude bought a Chinese lathe?eddieindetroit said:
Righttttttt.
Come out of your cave. What part of global economy do you not understand. Like it or not it is here and it aint going back to the good old days.
Adapt or die.
Does your tin foil hat have a brim or do you just rock the beenie style?
eddieindetroit said:
Eddie, you just don't understand. The American way is to look out for himself and demand the price to be lower and lower and then whine and cry because the jobs are gone and the wages have dropped and that all the other consumers, other than themselves of coarse, should be buying American and supporting and keeping our way of life.
The fact is is that our way of living is gone and will become much worse. Before WW2 this country was in a depression for 12 years while the rest of the world had already got out of it. Northern Africa, Europe and Asia was completely destroyed during WW2, the U.S was not touched plus we had retooled and trained millions of factory workers. In a very short time all of the world was buying our products because they couldn't make their own. We became very spoiled as it meant no difference what was charged for the product, it had to be bought from us. The Big 3 auto makers cared less what they built or what they paid their employees as what one company had to pay the other two also had to pay and since they were the only kids on the block, if you needed or wanted a new car you had to go with them.
After WW2 the Marshall Act came about and rebuilt the steel mills and many manufacturing plants in Japan and Germany. The steel mills were the most modern technology using electric furnaces instead of the old open hearth technology being used in America. It wasn't long before they were putting out the best steel in the world and put our steel mills out of business. Now all of their manufacturing plants are more modern and the workers are working for less wages so we can't compete any longer.
The only way a country can prosper is for it to export a greater amount than it imports and that ain't about to happen soon.
Dick
What many people never think about, is the many U.S. citizens that are put to work in the "Harbor Freight", or the like, stores scattered all across the nation.
I'm sure most of these employees are more than happy and thankful that they atleast have a job and are not forced to live off the government, family, friends or on the street.
I am sorry you're thread was hijacked, but I thank you along with many other AZ'ers for posting this discount.
TAP TAP to you my friend and best wishes for everyone to have a Happy Thanksgiving.
I'm sure most of these employees are more than happy and thankful that they atleast have a job and are not forced to live off the government, family, friends or on the street.
I am sorry you're thread was hijacked, but I thank you along with many other AZ'ers for posting this discount.
TAP TAP to you my friend and best wishes for everyone to have a Happy Thanksgiving.
JCIN said:
I'm not a globalist, I'm an AMERICAN......I'm concerned with my childrens problem here in MY country.
Because I DO NOT LIVE IN A CAVE I see what is all around me ..............the dead cities killed by importation and unfair trade practices. YES, I want to return to the good old days. Have you heard the "good old days" of pool described thus....... "It was like detroit in the 70's."
We once had action here never seen before or since because the manufacturing base here created the richest middle class that the world has ever known.
You are attempting sell the streaming pool correct?
It is also YOUR business that is failing because some guy bought a Chiwaneese lathe.
Do you know why the Japanese dominate automotive, machine tools, semiconductor, optics, etc... and nobody else can penetrate their markets?
The Japanese are the most patriotic people on the planet and would rather pay twice as much for a Japanese bowl of rice than one from America - and do.
Americans nor anyone else can crack the Japanese markets because of the Japanese loyalty to each other.
Spend your money where it benefits you in the LONG RUN. Spend you money where it will increase in value. Spend your money where it will stay in this country. Spend your money where it will provide US citizens a job. After all YOU are ultimately that citizen. The potential customers of TAR are those citizens.
Maybe TAR is failing because you have your head in the sand.
Eddie
TAR is not failing and I do not have my head in the sand. You really have no idea about how our business is doing, but nice try.eddieindetroit said:
If I have the choice between an American made product and one made overseas and the quality and price point is similar I buy American. But I will not subsidize bad business practices and foolish management practices just because something is made here.
I worked for 10 years for Ford Motor Company. I was a third generation auto worker. I took a buy out and left because I saw the writing on the wall. No amount of jingoism is going to out run the profit motive. Right or wrong it is just the way it is. You can either innovate and adapt to make the environment work for you or you can wither and die.
The world is changing and for American industry it is not for the better. We better learn how to compete or it is going to get really ugly.
wow all this from a 15% coupon lol
JCIN said:
I think you are brilliant and inovative to attempt to stream pool the way you have. I love your product and wish you all the success in the world.
Hang in there if you can. We are quickly moving toward a media where in everyone and everything will have its own channel. The golf channel, the fishing channel, the chess channel, poker channel, mountain biking channel etc. It's the future. I think TAR has the best odds of capturing and holding the billiards segment of that market. You have a large head start because of your hard work and enthusiasm for pool.
I sincerely hope it pays off big time for you.
I have already been the beneficiary of your hard work.
Bless you and good luck.
Eddie
I would like to thank ELBeau for his generousity to the rest of us.
To Eddieindetroit, no offence meant, but this arguement is best served in the NPR section IMO. The times are tuff for all, but some industries and worker groups have done a lot of this to themselves. I don't feel too bad for buying import tools, as I for one like good quality, but don't want to refinance the house and sell the kids just to buy an american made lathe, especially for a hobby. Some of the imports are pretty good for the price.
Dave
To Eddieindetroit, no offence meant, but this arguement is best served in the NPR section IMO. The times are tuff for all, but some industries and worker groups have done a lot of this to themselves. I don't feel too bad for buying import tools, as I for one like good quality, but don't want to refinance the house and sell the kids just to buy an american made lathe, especially for a hobby. Some of the imports are pretty good for the price.
Dave
Dave38 said:
I would also like to say that I appreciate ELBeau being cool and taking the time to post the Harbor Freight coupon. HF tools being barely suitable for their suggested use even at the low price doesn't make you a bad guy.
Eddie
Your sarcasitic tone is noted, and it makes me wonder what you do for a living and why? Being in Detriot, as your username states, one would assume automaking. Well, business is down, due to various reasons but one big one is the cost of an American made vehicle that has as many if not more problems than the imports, which happen to have a better warrentee than the USA makers, why is that?????, I believe if the US carmakers and the workers were willing to take a paycut, and forego ANY bonuses, or perks, and deliver a better product, AND stand behind it, before going to the taxpayers for a bailout, then I mighnt consider their product, but that won't happen thanks to the unions and people that feel they should make top dollar to put out a so-so product, but charge $$$$$ because it's american made. The Asians may not be the best at what they do, but atleast they do the best they can, and price it affordable, unlike most of the current generation of americans that want the most money to do the least amount of work, in the least amount of time, charge the most for it, and not be held accountable for their F#@k ups, etc.eddieindetroit said:
The imports wouldn't have stood a chance if the American products were up to snuff AND affordable to the same people that built them. I would normally expect an import to fail soon after purchase, but when spending a bunch for American and it fails as soon as an import, then WTF? Common sense says, pay less for the same results! I'm a good american, but the problem isn't the imports, it's with the American Industries, and worker's lack of pride. IMO!
We, as a nation of workers, have succumed to the almighty dollar and will suffer the results as such.
I used to buy craftsmen hand tools, until I brought back a socket that shattered, and they gave me a hard time for a $3.50 socket, then I hear the company that made them (in our own town come to find out) folded due to the union demanding to much in the next contract.
Sorry for the ramble, but until Americans realize the real problems, it's only going to get worst, with less alternatives for blame.
Just my .25 cents, and i'm moving down the street to a better mood......to enjoy a TRUE american beer:thumbup:
Dave
I hear you on the unions. They need to pack it and get outta town. We have a Honda owned foundry here in Coldwater that has very good pay and benefits that pawn UAW's. It's the unions that are going to be the downfall of the US automakers, including benefits the average US automaker pulls in $40.00/hour. That works out to around $80,000 a year. Ridiculous for brain dead job if you ask me. As well as the CEO of GM making 15 million a year. Flying in to DC on a $15,000 roung trip private jet crying for a handout. GTFO fat cat. The CEO of Toyota makes $1 million a year for comparison and when falling on hard times is the FIRST to take the hit, not the lower tiered employees.Dave38 said:
Has anyone tried to use the coupon yet? Just asking before I use it. I know they usually issue one with the flyers, but never used one from online before.ELBeau said:Thought I'd share this coupon in the Machinery section. Hope somebody can use it to save a few bucks on a larger-ticket item, as it is only good for a single item.
~Beau
Dave
Craig Fales said:
tap... tap... tap...
Craig that's a mighty fine summation. The saddest part is that they're going to get it. It's unbelievable how many of us stick our heads in the sand and fail to see corrupt union bosses and politicians. We just re-elected the idiots the created the sub-prime crisis and gave them the keys to the kingdom. Change? How bout a cabinet chock full of your standard Washington insiders. Some change.
This ain't gonna be fixed by refusing to buy a lathe from Harbor Freight.
Coupon didn't work for me.
John
John
I was afraid of that, usually the bar code is unique to the person it was sent to, therefore preventing massive copying, etc. And once used, the scanning of the code prevents that same code from being used again.jkmarshall_cues said:
Even still, I thank ELBeau for his efforts, and kindness. Green rep delivered:thumbup: