$1500 for the new round of qualifiers!

[Timberly]

If you mean that the July event,after it happens,will be the only one to take place so far to have included all 150 players and that by that reckoning it is therefore "the only one that should count" then that is a strange way to look at it right now......the July event hasn't happened yet,in exactly the same sense that the other later 2006 events haven't happened yet......so surely for the purpose of your argument you should either "count" them all or "count" none of them at this point in time

The part that I highlighted is what I meant. Honestly, I'm stone cold sober and the rest of your post lost me.

My point is that if & when the July event happens, it will only be one event. In my opinion... one event does not consitute a successful tour. Yes, there have been two other events... Neither of them allowed the 150 IPT players so why should they count towards the tour? They were simply independent events sponsored by the IPT, they were not part of the tour.

My point was this... Jake is acting as if once this tournament happens in July, the IPT will be an absolute success and everyone in the world should shut up & follow KT blindly though life.... Sorry, I don't buy it. If the Vegas event goes off without a hitch, it doesn't mean the tour is successful. Once the IPT schedule has been completed and they're back for another round next yr, as already promised... then it will be a success in my book. One event is not a success....One season and coming back for the next one is a success.

Honestly, I know of no other way to explain what I just said. If you don't understand it then I apologize. If there is another way for you to explain what you just said, please do so. Otherwise I'll never know what your last post meant.

 

[ShootingArts]

IPT Success

The IPT is a business. When it is in the black and still running it will be a success as a business. Of course there are other definitions of success . . . we don't have a clue what KT's real goals are so we have no idea what will define success for the tour.

Hu

 

[DaveK]

I can hear it now. After the event all the sceptics, who can't spell or construct a proper sentence, will be saying it was okay but they should have done it differently. And they should have let the worthless crybabies play for free.

Sheesh Jake, you berate people who can't construct a proper sentence, then you begin one with the word "And" !

Dave

 

[jjinfla]

Evidently, you missed the point.

 

[Timberly]

Evidently, you missed the point.

Jake, your point is always the same.... pool players are stupid degenerate losers and anything that KT says is the honest to goodness truth. Have you ever tried to prove anything else?

The IPT is a business. When it is in the black and still running it will be a success as a business. Of course there are other definitions of success . . . we don't have a clue what KT's real goals are so we have no idea what will define success for the tour.

Hu

Hence the reason I stated "in my opinion".

 

[jsp]

After the event all the sceptics, who can't spell or construct a proper sentence...

I'm surprised no one else jumped on this.

Hehe, how many times have I seen a post that criticizes mispelling, only to mispell something themselves in that post.

jsp <~~~ the ironing of my post is delicious



(just so I don't create confustion, I purposely misspelled "misspell" and "irony"...just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention out there.)

 

[Timberly]

I'm surprised no one else jumped on this.

I noticed it but left it alone... when it comes to Jake, unless you're singing the praises of the IPT, it falls on deaf ears.

 

[jay helfert]

When they started the qualifiers the entry fee was set at $1,000 to limit the amount of players who would enter and also to keep the quality of players high.

KT wants only the very best in the IPT.

You know, you seem like an intelligent person, but if you are buying the hype that the high entry fee is to "limit' the size of the fields, you are sadly mistaken.

EVERY qualifier is designed to make money for the IPT/KT! Plain and simple. This is a money making venture, not a charity for destitute pool players.

The size of the fields have never been "limited" in any of the qualifiers, from day one in Louisville onward. The IPT will gladly accept any and every $$ contribution/entry fee that is sent its way. They are well equipped and well organized when it comes to receiving funds. Unfortunately, they are not so well organized when it comes to all the promised payouts, as I learned first hand.

The playing field may well continue to change on the IPT, as KT works behind the scenes to make it profitable for himself. Additional sponsorship monies or the infusion of capital from investors (Eurosports?) seems like his and the pool players best hope for the future of this tour. At this time, there is no guarantee for 2007, 2008 and beyond, just more nice conversation.

In the meantime, I hope that the players involved make some nice cash and invest it wisely.

 

[ShootingArts]

this wasn't a direct reply to you

Hence the reason I stated "in my opinion".

Timberly,

This wasn't a direct reply to you but just a comment after reading a few posts concerning the success of the IPT which is why I didn't quote anyone.(I've never learned how to easily quote several posts like you did.) For all we know Kevin may have just wanted to thumb his nose at the fed's and advertise his natural cures on TV in which case the IPT is already a success. Time will give a better idea what he is up to but it would sure be nice to know now if he was serious about putting together a long term successful pool tour or not.

Good to see you back posting,
Hu

 

[ironman]

You know, you seem like an intelligent person, but if you are buying the hype that the high entry fee is to "limit' the size of the fields, you are sadly mistaken.

EVERY qualifier is designed to make money for the IPT/KT! Plain and simple. This is a money making venture, not a charity for destitute pool players.

The size of the fields have never been "limited" in any of the qualifiers, from day one in Louisville onward. The IPT will gladly accept any and every $$ contribution/entry fee that is sent its way. They are well equipped and well organized when it comes to receiving funds. Unfortunately, they are not so well organized when it comes to all the promised payouts, as I learned first hand.

The playing field may well continue to change on the IPT, as KT works behind the scenes to make it profitable for himself. Additional sponsorship monies or the infusion of capital from investors (Eurosports?) seems like his and the pool players best hope for the future of this tour. At this time, there is no guarantee for 2007, 2008 and beyond, just more nice conversation.

In the meantime, I hope that the players involved make some nice cash and invest it wisely.

NOt only do they not limit the fields, I have yet to figure out why someone would host one of these things. This is becoming a huge mystery to me.
Why would anyone host one of these without any possible way to profit and absolutely zero chance of even breaking even.
The best he can hope for is about 28-32 pllayers shose 1st question is, do we have to pay time.

 

[Grilled Cheese]

I went to see the Qualifier at Capone's (Saez/Broumpton), while there, I had a bottle water, a coke, mozzerella sticks...

That is about $15 more than they would have made without the qualifier, because I wouldn't have gone there for any other reason. After the qualifier matches, the tables all filled up - rentals and tourney. I usually don't spend much in pool halls, most people around me ordered some type of lunch and drinks throughout the day spending much more than me.

There were plenty of people there that wouldn't show up just to play or hang out. They were there for the IPT.

If they were charging to get in, I wouldn't go in. No way. I come to watch the IPT hopefuls, the establishment gets to make money when I get thirsty or hungry. That's how it all works.

If it isn't worth it for the pool hall, then they are free to not sign up for future qualifiers. That simple.

If they want them, it must mean they are valueble in some way or another. They might be experimenting with the value of the IPT. They might be making money. Maybe they lose money but gain PUBLICITY. People in the entire area talk about where the qualifier is and that gets the pool halls name said quite a few times. It also gets the pool fan's consciousness associating that establishment with tourney's and higher level play. There are some pool halls in this area that are NOT player's halls. They never have A player tourney's, never host Florida pro-tour events, or nothing. They cater only to newbies and league players. And there's never any pros playing at them. There are other halls where professionals frequent. Different atmosphere entirely. Having pro events there maintains that image. Keeps the "action" flowing. Action among good shooters attracts the B players who wannabe like the A's. So forth and so on.


These halls make their money on Friday and Saturday nights, not off of players who are notoriously cheap. Sacrificing a weekend once or twice a year isn't a big deal.

 

[ironman]

I went to see the Qualifier at Capone's (Saez/Broumpton), while there, I had a bottle water, a coke, mozzerella sticks...

That is about $15 more than they would have made without the qualifier, because I wouldn't have gone there for any other reason. After the qualifier matches, the tables all filled up - rentals and tourney. I usually don't spend much in pool halls, most people around me ordered some type of lunch and drinks throughout the day spending much more than me.

There were plenty of people there that wouldn't show up just to play or hang out. They were there for the IPT.

If they were charging to get in, I wouldn't go in. No way. I come to watch the IPT hopefuls, the establishment gets to make money when I get thirsty or hungry. That's how it all works.

If it isn't worth it for the pool hall, then they are free to not sign up for future qualifiers. That simple.

If they want them, it must mean they are valueble in some way or another. They might be experimenting with the value of the IPT. They might be making money. Maybe they lose money but gain PUBLICITY. People in the entire area talk about where the qualifier is and that gets the pool halls name said quite a few times. It also gets the pool fan's consciousness associating that establishment with tourney's and higher level play. There are some pool halls in this area that are NOT player's halls. They never have A player tourney's, never host Florida pro-tour events, or nothing. They cater only to newbies and league players. And there's never any pros playing at them. There are other halls where professionals frequent. Different atmosphere entirely. Having pro events there maintains that image. Keeps the "action" flowing. Action among good shooters attracts the B players who wannabe like the A's. So forth and so on.


These halls make their money on Friday and Saturday nights, not off of players who are notoriously cheap. Sacrificing a weekend once or twice a year isn't a big deal.

Sure, maybe they bring in a few people to watch, but they don't make for the expense of hosting.
Firstly, all the tables have to be covered with the IPT cloth. There has to be a Sardo rack at each table. They must also buy the IPT balls for each table used for the Qualifier. Depending on the number of tables used of course, app $ 6000just to host the event, plus the business lost over the 3 days to facilitate app 20 players.
Why would anyone be so anxious to host such a small turnout.

 

[memikey]

I'm surprised no one else jumped on this.

Hehe, how many times have I seen a post that criticizes mispelling, only to mispell something themselves in that post.

jsp <~~~ the ironing of my post is delicious



(just so I don't create confustion, I purposely misspelled "misspell" and "irony"...just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention out there.)

Three more bits of irony in there jsp.......bearing in mind that the language concerned is English and came to your shores from there.....and bearing in mind that later American convenience/laziness inspired bastardisations of the English language are therefore not the universally correct yardstick of spelling accuracy.....the correct spelling in English is "sceptic" and if we really wanted to nitpick about your other words...... "criticise". We'll give you the benefit of doubt over "confusion" seeing as your incorrect version of that word looks more like a typo than a spelling mistake

 

[TheOne]

Three more bits of irony in there jsp.......bearing in mind that the language concerned is English and came to your shores from there.....and bearing in mind that later American convenience/laziness inspired bastardisations of the English language are therefore not the universally correct yardstick of spelling accuracy.....the correct spelling in English is "sceptic" and if we really wanted to nitpick about your other words...... "criticise". We'll give you the benefit of doubt over "confusion" seeing as your incorrect version of that word looks more like a typo than a spelling mistake

I didn't pick it up because a) Jake's (aka KT) lights are on but there's nobody home, and b) I thought it was spelt correctly.

 

[jjinfla]

Originally Posted by jjinfla
After the event all the sceptics, who can't spell or construct a proper sentence...





You know, I was going to say something about that, but I decided to check before I posted. I was floored to find this:
scep·tic (skptk)
NOUN: Variant of skeptic.
I've always spelled it skeptic and it turned out that I wasn't as smart as I thought I was...
Duog

I never claimed to be the brightest light in the house - far from it. I actually looked up the word, but in my haste, didn't read. Should I claim to be British?

My point is that people who have not accomplished anything in life are quick to point out shortcomings in other people.

Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. (Feel free to substitute another word for stuff).

My love of the IPT is just a wish that everything works out for the players. Also, I enjoy watching really good players play the game and KT is offering a venue where all the great players will be at one time. How can that be bad? He had to start somewhere, and where better than with the HOF'ers, a bunch of great players, and a bunch of so-so players?

The first tournament will be in about three weeks. Knowing what you know now about the IPT, and if this was all explained to you at the very beginning, all the qualifiers, and what was involved to get to this point, how many of you would have given the IPT any chance at success at all? We would have all laughed and called it a big pipe dream. So you do have to admit that KT did have the vision and the wherewithall to follow through on it. But of course it still depends on how the average person will accept it.

I just prefer to give it a chance and see how it turns out.

The local paper had an article about NASCAR and how it started in 1947 when someone got the police and moonshiners to race on a track instead of just chase each other at night. Look how long it took for that organization to reach the success it has. It is still evolving. Changes in track design and car specifications are an ongoing process, even after 59 years of existence. So we can't really expect the IPT to be perfect right from the get go. I expect it to be a long process with many more changes in the future.

Jake

 

[jjinfla]

You know, you seem like an intelligent person, but if you are buying the hype that the high entry fee is to "limit' the size of the fields, you are sadly mistaken.

EVERY qualifier is designed to make money for the IPT/KT! Plain and simple. This is a money making venture, not a charity for destitute pool players.

The size of the fields have never been "limited" in any of the qualifiers, from day one in Louisville onward. The IPT will gladly accept any and every $$ contribution/entry fee that is sent its way. They are well equipped and well organized when it comes to receiving funds. Unfortunately, they are not so well organized when it comes to all the promised payouts, as I learned first hand.

The playing field may well continue to change on the IPT, as KT works behind the scenes to make it profitable for himself. Additional sponsorship monies or the infusion of capital from investors (Eurosports?) seems like his and the pool players best hope for the future of this tour. At this time, there is no guarantee for 2007, 2008 and beyond, just more nice conversation.

In the meantime, I hope that the players involved make some nice cash and invest it wisely.

Jay,

Of course I believe that the IPT is designed to make money for KT, and his company. He can't advertise his natural cures on TV anymore but he can through the IPT. And, if the rumors of his selling the IPT are true then he has succeeded far beyond anyone's dreams.

But you know that Jay. I doubt that you are a pure altruist and you do want to show a profit in your own business.

Jake

 

[jjinfla]

I went to see the Qualifier at Capone's (Saez/Broumpton), while there, I had a bottle water, a coke, mozzerella sticks...

That is about $15 more than they would have made without the qualifier, because I wouldn't have gone there for any other reason. After the qualifier matches, the tables all filled up - rentals and tourney. I usually don't spend much in pool halls, most people around me ordered some type of lunch and drinks throughout the day spending much more than me.

There were plenty of people there that wouldn't show up just to play or hang out. They were there for the IPT.

If they were charging to get in, I wouldn't go in. No way. I come to watch the IPT hopefuls, the establishment gets to make money when I get thirsty or hungry. That's how it all works.

If it isn't worth it for the pool hall, then they are free to not sign up for future qualifiers. That simple.

If they want them, it must mean they are valueble in some way or another. They might be experimenting with the value of the IPT. They might be making money. Maybe they lose money but gain PUBLICITY. People in the entire area talk about where the qualifier is and that gets the pool halls name said quite a few times. It also gets the pool fan's consciousness associating that establishment with tourney's and higher level play. There are some pool halls in this area that are NOT player's halls. They never have A player tourney's, never host Florida pro-tour events, or nothing. They cater only to newbies and league players. And there's never any pros playing at them. There are other halls where professionals frequent. Different atmosphere entirely. Having pro events there maintains that image. Keeps the "action" flowing. Action among good shooters attracts the B players who wannabe like the A's. So forth and so on.


These halls make their money on Friday and Saturday nights, not off of players who are notoriously cheap. Sacrificing a weekend once or twice a year isn't a big deal.

You are right about players being cheap. They mostly drink water and go out of the pool hall to eat.

Rocky had to buy the cloth, chalk, Racks, balls at a cost of about $4,000. In addition he lost the income that the tables could have generated from rent from his paying customers.

Of course Rocky lost money on the event, but he is a nice guy who genuinely loves pool and likes to help pool players. He enjoys running the pool room.

He didn't charge admission for the event but he did charge for the chairs overlooking the tables - $20. As you noticed, they were all sold.

But a lot of pool fans are like you - not willing to pay $5 - $10 to go watch the pros play. Why pay when there are so many places a person can go and watch them play for free?

Jake

 

[onepocketchump]

Jay,

Of course I believe that the IPT is designed to make money for KT, and his company. He can't advertise his natural cures on TV anymore but he can through the IPT. And, if the rumors of his selling the IPT are true then he has succeeded far beyond anyone's dreams.

But you know that Jay. I doubt that you are a pure altruist and you do want to show a profit in your own business.

Jake

KT can advertise Natural Cures on TV. Unless I have missed something he has not been banned from exercising his First Ammendment rights to expressing his opinions which is what the book is.

John

 

[ShootingArts]

splitting hairs

KT can't advertise a product in an infomercial due to his settlement with the US government. I'm not sure of advertising in thirty second or one minute spots. However what KT did was an end-around by doing an infomercial about a book hawking his products. No question that he violates the agreement he made with the fed's but because it is a book the fed's are letting it slide rather than get in a first amendment battle.

Is a book a product? Walk out of a store without paying for one claiming it is not a product and see how far you get.

Hu

KT can advertise Natural Cures on TV. Unless I have missed something he has not been banned from exercising his First Ammendment rights to expressing his opinions which is what the book is.

John

 

[DaveK]

Evidently, you missed the point.

Nonsense jjj, you're a one-point guy in this forum these days, I know where you are coming from. I just wanted to point out that you posted a poorly formed sentence. Considering the message you were trying to get across, I thought it was way too funny.

Dave