1960s major tournaments

Fatboy

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huh???????????? can you be ANY more vague???????? I was little then but there was the US Open 14.1 and JohnstonCity to name a couple.
Guy is very old and he just wants to know. I wasn’t around for that time period so I can’t help him.

If anyone can that would be cool. Jay could for sure, Stu and Bob J as well.

Guy is cool. It would be nice if he gets a response.

Best
Fatboy 😃😃
 

maha

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guy the johnston city tournament were in full swing then. all the top players showed up for them each year.

then it got raided and totally moved to the stardust casino in vegas. and continued on for a few years more.

also during that period the great straight pool tournaments went on in new york city. dominated by mosconi and irving crane to be replaced by the likes of mizerack and the new breed of great players like him.


 
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Guy Manges

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guy the johnston city tournament were in full swing then. all the top players showed up for them each year.

then it got raided and totally moved to the stardust casino in vegas. and continued on for a few years more.

also during that period the great straight pool tournaments went on in new york city. dominated by mosconi and irving crane to be replaced by the likes of mizerack and the new breed of great players like him.


What i am trying to find is a professional major tournament... Was there none in the United States. . ? I'm trying to write a fiction book of a life of a pro player, no gambling. Did we not have any pro players that weren't hustling? Time gets by so fast... thank you ... Guy
 

Guy Manges

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Guy is very old and he just wants to know. I wasn’t around for that time period so I can’t help him.

If anyone can that would be cool. Jay could for sure, Stu and Bob J as well.

Guy is cool. It would be nice if he gets a response.

Best
Fatboy 😃😃
Thank you for that Eric... I never paid any attention to that kind of stuff... Guy
 

Quesports

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Too bad Jimmy Reid has passed away. The late 60's and early 70's was when he got rolling... Really wish I had copied and saved his bio of growing up in pool from his website. It was a time capsule worth reading...
 

garczar

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guy the johnston city tournament were in full swing then. all the top players showed up for them each year.

then it got raided and totally moved to the stardust casino in vegas. and continued on for a few years more.

also during that period the great straight pool tournaments went on in new york city. dominated by mosconi and irving crane to be replaced by the likes of mizerack and the new breed of great players like him.


Stardust tourn's ran along with JC. Started in '65 and ran thru '73. Results of both: http://www.thehypertexts.com/Johnston City Pool Hustler Tournament Winners and Player Profiles Billiards.htm
 

Guy Manges

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Thanks all for your help, I'm trying to put together a book of fiction and no reality, Trying not to mix the two yet have the life of a Christian pro pool player, No Bad just Good... I was thinking maybe Jersey City during the off season... Will try...
 

Taxi

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Weenie Beanie's Jack 'n' Jill Cue Club in Arlington, VA used to have yearly 9 ball and other tournaments in the late 60's and early 70's that attracted the likes of Jimmy Rempe, Billy Incardona, Luther Lassiter, and other top pros of that era. At the time "Beanie's" was also one of the top 24/7 action spots in the entire country, with road players in there all the time looking for high stakes action.

Also, charlesursitti.com has an archive of older tournament results. You may have to install an add-on security device, but if you're okay with that it'll be worth it.
 

measureman

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Thanks all for your help, I'm trying to put together a book of fiction and no reality, Trying not to mix the two yet have the life of a Christian pro pool player, No Bad just Good... I was thinking maybe Jersey City during the off season... Will try...
Jersey City off season?
What does that mean?
 

Cue Alchemist

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You want to read hustler days.its based around that time. It tells the story of 4 players.
luther lassiter, jersey red, mosconi and fats But also includes meany more.
From books I've read 14.1 was the only discipline was considered professional.
With luther lassiter wining 7 World titles in that era.
 

WildWing

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Unfortunately 60s tournament video is not much, but if you do you tube searches on Luther Lassiter, Boston Shorty Johnson, and Harold Worst, you will come up with a few clips.

All the best,
WW
 

Fatboy

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You want to read hustler days.its based around that time. It tells the story of 4 players.
luther lassiter, jersey red, mosconi and fats But also includes meany more.
From books I've read 14.1 was the only discipline was considered professional.
With luther lassiter wining 7 World titles in that era.
Great read!!!!
 

arnaldo

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Can any member tell me of a late 1960's pro tournament, major tournament...
Guy: As we've discussed privately, I was born in the mid-1930s -- four years before you, and I'll gladly provide you with information about some events that I personally attended in my own late-twenty and early thirty years of age, during the time period you're asking about:

The 1966 14.1 round-robin co-promoted by shady Arnie Satin and his co- promoter also named Arnie (Rosen surname) and held in a Burbank building that was a former huge supermarket and was slightly "remodeled" (walls patch-painted, and un-optimal carpeting installed) and the venue hyperbolically advertised as "Burbank's Hall of Champions"for the all-tuxedo event. Bleachers were rented and installed.

I saw every one of Mosconi's 16 games in that remarkable, historic tournament (all were evening games -- he refused to play afternoon games).

Willie's playing was increasingly rusty and it sadly led to very audible and continual frustration-motivated demands for rule alterations. Willie feuded daily with promoter Arnie Satin. Various mistaken rumors emerged years later about a post-finals vicious, knocked-unconscious Arnie vs Willie fistfight that actually never happened (they did square-off and swung their arms for about 10 or 15 seconds, but no real punches ever landed -- bystanders instantly pulled the two diminutive fellows apart quickly and easily).

Balsis beat Willie in the finals (a tie-breaking playoff -- they had equal 14-2, win-loss records for the round-robin games). Willie was 53 years old, in far from ideal health or playing condition, and had demanded 10k upfront plus all airline, food and lodging expenses paid just to appear, plus 5% of every night's gate receipts no matter if he won or not. Willie's two losses came at the hands of Irving Crane, then Cisero Murphy. (Followed, as mentioned, by his loss to Balsis in the final match of the event.) As Arnie Satin handed the 2nd place Runner-up trophy to Mosconi he quite audibly (and aggressively) said to him: "How does it feel to lose a tournament, Willie?" Fighting words, as it turned out.

I was standing with two of my pool buddies about 10 or 12 feet away from Willie and the snarky, confrontational promoter.

Willie's face looked livid and deadly serious, enraged by the promoter's nasty, taunting, and ridiculing comment. Willie shouted back: (exact words):

"Stick that trophy up your ass!"

Arnie handed the trophy to a bystander, blasted a couple of obscenities at Willie and then even louder: "Nobody talks to me that way. Nobody!"

Both were steaming now. They did rush towards each other with fists clenched, but as mentioned no real punches ever landed.

(Willie and Arnie were both quite small men -- roughly about the same height -- and were obviously middle-aged men, typically devoid of street-fighting experience.) Tiny tuxedo-ed enemies who were likely both glad their one-rounder was broken up quickly.

Knowing about Willie's all-too-recent health issues: two heart attacks and a stroke -- my buddies and I were equally glad the men were rapidly separated.
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Also, Guy -- for fully grasping the context of that time period's unique historicity here's an exceptional 9-page article that I'm pleased to post to AZB at least once a year. It will be new to some AZBers and a very enjoyable re-read for many others. It's from a 1970 Playboy about the famous Johnston City "Hustlers Jamboree" excitingly and colorfully written by an eye-witness reporter. It's filled with various mentions of the more than 20 top-level players “convening” from all around the country, with a great deal of attention to the gambling between Luther Lassiter and a very cocky Ronnie Allen. (Also includes *plenty* of historical background about decades of American pool hustling during the 20th Century):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HBna2-40eLgTSeKa9QrXVcsMnxj_5RJX/view

Glad to help you, Guy, in any way I can, since we are both -- as you know -- in a "more advanced state of youth" and more addicted than ever to our mutually beloved sport.

Enjoy,

Arnaldo
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Guy Manges

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Guy: As we've discussed privately, I was born in the mid-1930s -- four years before you, and I'll gladly provide you with information about some events that I personally attended in my own late-twenty and early thirty years of age, during the time period you're asking about:

The 1966 14.1 round-robin co-promoted by shady Arnie Satin and his co- promoter also named Arnie (Rosen surname) and held in a Burbank building that was a former huge supermarket and was slightly "remodeled" (walls patch-painted, and un-optimal carpeting installed) and the venue hyperbolically advertised as "Burbank's Hall of Champions"for the all-tuxedo event. Bleachers were rented and installed.

I saw every one of Mosconi's 16 games in that remarkable, historic tournament (all were evening games -- he refused to play afternoon games).

Willie's playing was increasingly rusty and it sadly led to very audible and continual frustration-motivated demands for rule alterations. Willie feuded daily with promoter Arnie Satin. Various mistaken rumors emerged years later about a post-finals vicious, knocked-unconscious Arnie vs Willie fistfight that actually never happened (they did square-off and swung their arms for about 10 or 15 seconds, but no real punches ever landed -- bystanders instantly pulled the two diminutive fellows apart quickly and easily).

Balsis beat Willie in the finals (a tie-breaking playoff -- they had equal 14-2, win-loss records for the round-robin games). Willie was 53 years old, in far from ideal health or playing condition, and had demanded 10k upfront plus all airline, food and lodging expenses paid just to appear, plus 5% of every night's gate receipts no matter if he won or not. Willie's two losses came at the hands of Irving Crane, then Cisero Murphy. (Followed, as mentioned, by his loss to Balsis in the final match of the event.) As Arnie Satin handed the 2nd place Runner-up trophy to Mosconi he quite audibly (and aggressively) said to him: "How does it feel to lose a tournament, Willie?" Fighting words, as it turned out.

I was standing with two of my pool buddies about 10 or 12 feet away from Willie and the snarky, confrontational promoter.

Willie's face looked livid and deadly serious, enraged by the promoter's nasty, taunting, and ridiculing comment. Willie shouted back: (exact words):

"Stick that trophy up your ass!"

Arnie handed the trophy to a bystander, blasted a couple of obscenities at Willie and then even louder: "Nobody talks to me that way. Nobody!"

Both were steaming now. They did rush towards each other with fists clenched, but as mentioned no real punches ever landed.

(Willie and Arnie were both quite small men -- roughly about the same height -- and were obviously middle-aged men, typically devoid of street-fighting experience.) Tiny tuxedo-ed enemies who were likely both glad their one-rounder was broken up quickly.

Knowing about Willie's all-too-recent health issues: two heart attacks and a stroke -- my buddies and I were equally glad the men were rapidly separated.
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Also, Guy -- for fully grasping the context of that time period's unique historicity here's an exceptional 9-page article that I'm pleased to post to AZB at least once a year. It will be new to some AZBers and a very enjoyable re-read for many others. It's from a 1970 Playboy about the famous Johnston City "Hustlers Jamboree" excitingly and colorfully written by an eye-witness reporter. It's filled with various mentions of the more than 20 top-level players “convening” from all around the country, with a great deal of attention to the gambling between Luther Lassiter and a very cocky Ronnie Allen. (Also includes *plenty* of historical background about decades of American pool hustling during the 20th Century):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HBna2-40eLgTSeKa9QrXVcsMnxj_5RJX/view

Glad to help you, Guy, in any way I can, since we are both -- as you know -- in a "more advanced state of youth" and more addicted than ever to our mutually beloved sport.

Enjoy,

Arnaldo
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Funny thing i remember all that , I was not there, but in Pico Riviera playing 8 ball probably... Arnaldo a question for you when Willie came to the family billiard center in Signal Hill were you there. There was a pretty good turn out. I think it was a Monday evening about seven pm and he was only there for about two hours... Guy
 
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