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Other BCA Sanctioned Tournaments from 1974 BCA Rule book
I'm west coast, we had Brunswick family centers and Golden West family centers, Lots of them... GuyThere were quite a few major 14.1 tournaments still going on then,Chicago?. If you ever heard of the pro (if your old like me you have most likely heard of) Frank McGowen, he got involved with a businessman, and designed/ the Corner Pocket Pool Rooms of American. CPk.....Rooms were laid out properly for spectators, handicapp players, location of bathrooms and a grille/bar overlooking the room, and that allowing when it was slow, for the barkeep to also cook when slow
Eric: You, Guy and other AZBers will likely enjoy more of my recollections (and involvement) in the major pool tournament scene during that period:I’m digging this old school pool thread.
That area was one of five stops he made during his LA circuit for Brunswick that year. I caught the one he made at the Red Baker/Tiff Payne room in North Hollywood about a mile from my Burbank apartment. He had just served as technical advisor during the filming of the 1961 "Hustler" flic about 6 or 7 years prior to the circuit you're referencing.Funny thing i remember all that , I was not there, but in Pico Riviera playing 8 ball probably... Arnaldo a question for you when Willie came to the family billiard center in Signal Hill were you there. There was a pretty good turn out. I think it was a Monday evening about seven pm and he was only there for about two hours... Guy
I'm from Jersey and the term "off season" refers to the Jersey shore towns when all the tourist's leave for the summer.I want this story to be fiction only. I want the geography to be us, real but the venue tournament to be fiction and to not coincide with an actual event, otherwise to take place away from the real events... Guy
Your wright , I was thinking 66 , but it was 67, I do pretty good with my memories, thankgoodness for you... GuyThat area was one of five stops he made during his LA circuit for Brunswick that year. I caught the one he made at the Red Baker/Tiff Payne room in North Hollywood about a mile from my Burbank apartment. He had just served as technical advisor during the filming of the 1961 "Hustler" flic about 6 or 7 years prior to the circuit you're referencing.
Yours is a world that I don't know anything about, I guess thats why all my questions, thank you for helping me... GuyI'm from Jersey and the term "off season" refers to the Jersey shore towns when all the tourist's leave for the summer.
Generally the season is early June to labor day.
Was there many times, in the 70s and 1980, when it closed. Here's a good picture of Steve Mizerak and Pete Margo in the tournament area of Weenie Beanie's Jack and Jills. I'm not sure which tournament, or exactly when. I would guess early to mid 70s. You might notice Mizerak's famous Dove Balabushka. Enjoy:Weenie Beanie's Jack 'n' Jill Cue Club in Arlington, VA used to have yearly 9 ball and other tournaments in the late 60's and early 70's that attracted the likes of Jimmy Rempe, Billy Incardona, Luther Lassiter, and other top pros of that era. At the time "Beanie's" was also one of the top 24/7 action spots in the entire country, with road players in there all the time looking for high stakes action.
Also, charlesursitti.com has an archive of older tournament results. You may have to install an add-on security device, but if you're okay with that it'll be worth it.
Many younger AZBers (and a few older folks) might not know this trivia tidbit -- Petey Margo was Steve's brother-in-law. As you'd intuit, Steve married Petey's sister. That, and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Fivebucks.Was there many times, in the 70s and 1980, when it closed. Here's a good picture of Steve Mizerak and Pete Margo in the tournament area of Weenie Beanie's Jack and Jills. I'm not sure which tournament, or exactly when. I would guess early to mid 70s. You might notice Mizerak's famous Dove Balabushka. Enjoy:
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Didn't know that. Believe her name is Karen, correct?Many younger AZBers (and a few older folks) might not know this trivia tidbit -- Petey Margo was Steve's brother-in-law. As you'd intuit, Steve married Petey's sister. That, and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Fivebucks.
Thanks, didn't realize that history. I do remember Karen accompanying Steve to the US Open nine ball tournaments in Norfolk, in 1984 though 1986. Brings back memories.Karen was his second wife and who he was married to when he passed. Pete's sister was his first wife, and her name was Linda (I think).
This a fantastic recollection of an event that's long passed. Your story telling is great and only surpassed by your skill in writing. Thanks for bringing the past back!Guy: As we've discussed privately, I was born in the mid-1930s -- four years before you, and I'll gladly provide you with information about some events that I personally attended in my own late-twenty and early thirty years of age, during the time period you're asking about:
The 1966 14.1 round-robin co-promoted by shady Arnie Satin and his co- promoter also named Arnie (Rosen surname) and held in a Burbank building that was a former huge supermarket and was slightly "remodeled" (walls patch-painted, and un-optimal carpeting installed) and the venue hyperbolically advertised as "Burbank's Hall of Champions"for the all-tuxedo event. Bleachers were rented and installed.
I saw every one of Mosconi's 16 games in that remarkable, historic tournament (all were evening games -- he refused to play afternoon games).
Willie's playing was increasingly rusty and it sadly led to very audible and continual frustration-motivated demands for rule alterations. Willie feuded daily with promoter Arnie Satin. Various mistaken rumors emerged years later about a post-finals vicious, knocked-unconscious Arnie vs Willie fistfight that actually never happened (they did square-off and swung their arms for about 10 or 15 seconds, but no real punches ever landed -- bystanders instantly pulled the two diminutive fellows apart quickly and easily).
Balsis beat Willie in the finals (a tie-breaking playoff -- they had equal 14-2, win-loss records for the round-robin games). Willie was 53 years old, in far from ideal health or playing condition, and had demanded 10k upfront plus all airline, food and lodging expenses paid just to appear, plus 5% of every night's gate receipts no matter if he won or not. Willie's two losses came at the hands of Irving Crane, then Cisero Murphy. (Followed, as mentioned, by his loss to Balsis in the final match of the event.) As Arnie Satin handed the 2nd place Runner-up trophy to Mosconi he quite audibly (and aggressively) said to him: "How does it feel to lose a tournament, Willie?" Fighting words, as it turned out.
I was standing with two of my pool buddies about 10 or 12 feet away from Willie and the snarky, confrontational promoter.
Willie's face looked livid and deadly serious, enraged by the promoter's nasty, taunting, and ridiculing comment. Willie shouted back: (exact words):
"Stick that trophy up your ass!"
Arnie handed the trophy to a bystander, blasted a couple of obscenities at Willie and then even louder: "Nobody talks to me that way. Nobody!"
Both were steaming now. They did rush towards each other with fists clenched, but as mentioned no real punches ever landed.
(Willie and Arnie were both quite small men -- roughly about the same height -- and were obviously middle-aged men, typically devoid of street-fighting experience.) Tiny tuxedo-ed enemies who were likely both glad their one-rounder was broken up quickly.
Knowing about Willie's all-too-recent health issues: two heart attacks and a stroke -- my buddies and I were equally glad the men were rapidly separated.
Also, Guy -- for fully grasping the context of that time period's unique historicity here's an exceptional 9-page article that I'm pleased to post to AZB at least once a year. It will be new to some AZBers and a very enjoyable re-read for many others. It's from a 1970 Playboy about the famous Johnston City "Hustlers Jamboree" excitingly and colorfully written by an eye-witness reporter. It's filled with various mentions of the more than 20 top-level players “convening” from all around the country, with a great deal of attention to the gambling between Luther Lassiter and a very cocky Ronnie Allen. (Also includes *plenty* of historical background about decades of American pool hustling during the 20th Century):
Glad to help you, Guy, in any way I can, since we are both -- as you know -- in a "more advanced state of youth" and more addicted than ever to our mutually beloved sport.