1970 JOSSWEST, RARE 3/8x10 MICARTA JOINT: FOR-SALE!!

acedonkeyace

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I dont know the asking price, Yet, I am first trying to find out, just how rare this combo is. From what I looked up in the history, I would say, Rare to Very Rare. I attempted to reach Bill, personally, but no response, so far.

The cue was acquired in a 'i beat you out of all your cash', so we will play for something else, type of situation, so the actualy 'Cash Value' is a little funky.

This is a nice condition, 4 Point with Veneers of Natural Maple and Brazillian Rosewood. The points are almost exactly the same length and even nicer each veneer is the same lengths all the way around. I have 250 cues in my inventory and with short splice and long splice cues, I probably have 3 or 4 that are this close and I feel I have a pretty nice collection. The Wrap looks like white with green speck cortland type no. 9 linen. Stitched rings of matching woods. The butt section has a very nice very black black, gaboon ebony.

The one area that is an issue is the buttcap, which is the original buttcap with the 'J with sideways W' in it. I was going to replace the butt cap and keep the cracked one with the letters to go with the cue and pass it along to the new owner, but I decided against that and I kept it as it is, with the cracked buttcap, but it is the original buttcap to the cue with the early 1970-1980 'JW' sideways 'w'.

I will put the pictures in the posting in a little while,
Badbeat13 said:
You may be posting this info soon, but just in case.

How long is the cue?

What mm is the shaft?

What's the weight of the butt and shaft?

Is the cue straight?

Thanks again, Jerry

Length is: Butt 28.5 Shaft 29.0

Weight is Aprox: 19.7 ounces
No breakdown on weight, no scale

Shaft is 12.05mm

Cue is straight, but I also state their is a small taper roll to the shaft. This avoids any problems.

Hope this helps,

Mike

Any feedback or info on the common versus rare versus ultra rare, with the 3/8x10 Pin with the Micarta Joint. The Shaft I would say is the original, same patina, 'Ivory' ferrule, matching stitched rings, correct diameter in mm of joint collar and shaft collar.

There are Zero dings and dents as I am putting this info into the posting, you would definitely see them if there were any with the ultra black ebony in the butt and the ultra dark B. Rosewood in the Forearm. The birdseye maple is a nice piece, not loaded with eyes, but has a couple dozen in the forearm, a nice dark honey patina in the forearm color to go with the other hardwoods.

Very nice, straight forward, solid hitting 1970s Bill Stroud 4pointer with veneers.

I get so tired of people describing how the cue hit, feels, etc.

All I will say is this is 'old school' JossWest at its best, classic, basic styling, hit, feel, EVERYTHING!!



A lot of the people on AZ are aware of what has happened with me over the last 4 years regarding my health and even more recently with the bone and blood treatments I had to go through to stay alive and hopefully get my health back. Most might know that I depleted every dollar I had in savings over the last 4 years to survive and I ended up having to give up my right hip most of the pelvis and 5 inches of my right femur and loss of the ability to use my right leg. Anyway, I am now the new League Operator for the Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties of Florida for the newly formed and Launching April 1st 2014, the G.P.P.A. league. So I am trying to rebuild my life and business and to do this I am having to once again part with many of the prized possessions I have left, since these are the only things I have left that have any cash value. I own a 27 year old car that I drive and it is on its last leg, so I am having to also get a new car so I can continue to sign members up and grow my business with the GPPA.

So with this long explanation, I am selling this cue as well as many other very nice examples of vintage 20 to 60 year old cues that I have in my collection, understand that my prices might be high but I try to valuate where the cues that I have sold in the past have sold through EBAY, which means you are looking at some of the range of RETAIL prices as opposed to wholesale prices, which is where most AZ'ers like to buy at, but I need to get as much funds as I can to restart these businesses, so I am hoping that any AZ'er that is interested in any of the cues or items that I have listed for sale on here, understand that I am trying to get some part of the Retail dollars, so I can help improve the Pool World and Businesses with the launching of a new Pool League and so I am hoping that the Az'ers are willing to spend a little more then they normally would?.

Thank you to all that have purchased anything from me over the last 4 years, it has kept me alive and able to start over again and when I say start over again, I have less in the bank now, then when I was 12 years old and opened my first savings account in 1979.

With that being said,

PRICE.....PRICE....PRICE for Early JOSSWEST----------------------$1,100 (changed 01/24/2014)---------------------------------------

$1,100 is price for CUE ONLY CUE ONLY, 1 Butt and 1 Shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I wasn't clear, the two offers were over $1000, but they included a partial trade that I didn't not want to deal with.

Cash offers, I have had 4 offers, ranging from $700 to $870, cash,

I am close on the number but I have it buy it now, $1100 plus shipping. I have it listed on ebay and they gave me a free posting and no end fees on this listing, so the only thing I will have to pay as an expense is the PayPal fees if there are any. Which I am willing to eat, but I really feel if someone is buying this to play with, they will be hard pressed to find another in this price range and this cue with the options it has is not going to go down in price.

I would rather sell a couple of Joss or a Few Vikings to make a Thousand dollars than sell this cue and not be able to replace it unless I got really lucky. A micarta Big Pin with Ivory Ferrules with Brazillian Rosewood and Gaboon Ebony, I think this cue has it all and its an Eary Sideways W JOSSWEST,

I will wait until someone wants to pay some retail dollars on this cue. I have had multiple offers of 850, cash from cue dealers and collectors, so I know there is a buyer who wants this and willing to pay some retail dollars.

I know the market is soft, but it is what it is,

Thanks again

Sorry due to the explaination above, no trades.

I will accept payment in the form of: Cash, Paypal or Money Order by USPS-----

THANKYOU ALL AZERS for the help and purchases over the last 4 years!!!!!!

I really do APPRECIATE all of YOU!!!!!!!


WILL SELL FOR, $1000 CASH or MONEY ORDER or PAYPAL but add 4%, SHIPPED AND INSURED!!!!!!



Any questions, shoot them my way, Pictures are coming,

Respectfully,

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy


PS: I took a second set of pictures and rotated the forearm, so you can see how even and symetrical the main points and the veneers are, maybe 1/128 of an inch from highest to the lowest points and the veneers are almost dead on all the way around. Take a look and see what you think.!! Very nice for 40 year old design and execution>!
 
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Pictures added, take a look!!!!

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I will post a few more, Keep looking at the next Post

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy

These are of the Cue that I am offering up for sale, once I get all my info together.

Be patient on this nice Early JW Bill Stroud Cue,


BILL ENJOY RETIREMENT!!!!
 
More Pictures, Sorry they are crappy, Cue is much sharper in Person!!

Keep looking, More info Coming

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any other questions, please PM me,

thanks

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy
 
With the broken butt cap and the skinny shaft (not original to cue) maybe made by Bill later on request. I offer $675.00 shipped.
This cue was made early to mid eighties when Bill was in Colorado. Not 70-80. Brazilian Rosewood? Nice butt yes. glws
Bob
 
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AZers.......do yourselves and Mike a favor and keep your offers private (PM communication). Personally, I think Mike would be crazy to let the cue go for the offers posted but it's his decision.

Mike's a great guy who's suffered and survived a gauntlet of life's challenges that would have brought most of us to our knees. And who knows if any of us would have had the stamina and
determination to push on and fight through the difficult problems that seemed to almost never end.

I do not know how much Mike's Stroud cue is worth but I know it's worth more than the posted offers to buy his cue. The first thing is this cue is a very early Bill Stroud cue and as such, it's
worth appreciably more than other Josswest cues made in a different period. The cracked butthurts the cue value but not to the degree that justifies the prices presented.......IMO.

Mike, don't accept anything under a grand.....the cue is worth that much. As we already discussed,if the cue was under 19 ozs., I'd give you at least a grand for your cue....it's worth at least that
and frankly, that even seems a little low for the degree of damage to the cue. I know a lot of Azers dislike Bill since the Dream Cue Contest but I'm in the minority. I suppose it's because I don't
have any axe to grind and I still hold Bill Stroud in very high regard as a talented cue-maker and he is truly one of the best as far as far as I'm concerned.

I've owned three Bill Stroud cues and would love to own another. Like I said, I'd buy this one but the weight is wrong for me. Nonetheless, I'm always interested in owning a flat ivory joint cue by Bill
with veneers that weighs mid 18 ounces. I mention that not to hijack Mike's thread but simply to illustrate I'm not just throwing words around.......I really dig Bill Stroud as a cue-maker and I think it's
a little silly how people who have never been harmed by Bill are inclined to quickly chime in and ridicule him as a person and as a cue-maker.....Billl ain't no Tony Zinzola or Lee Pepper but people
tend to paint him with the same brush and paint used to color those two scumbag cue-makers.

Mike, you have a great cue and I hope you get a decent price. However, don't let someone steal this cue when it's worth a lot more.
 
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AZers.......do yourselves and Mike a favor and keep your offers private (PM communication). Personally, I think Mike would be crazy to let the cue go for the offers posted but it's his decision.

Mike's a great guy who's suffered and survived a gauntlet of life's challenges that would have brought most of us to our knees. And who knows if any of us would have had the stamina and
determination to push on and fight through the difficult problems that seemed to almost never end.

I do not know how much Mike's Stroud cue is worth but I know it's worth more than the posted offers to buy his cue. The first thing is this cue is a very early Bill Stroud cue and as such, it's
worth appreciably more than other Josswest cues made in a different period. The cracked butthurts the cue value but not to the degree that justifies the prices presented.......IMO.

Mike, don't accept anything under a grand.....the cue is worth that much. As we already discussed,if the cue was under 19 ozs., I'd give you at least a grand for your cue....it's worth at least that
and frankly, that even seems a little low for the degree of damage to the cue. I know a lot of Azers dislike Bill since the Dream Cue Contest but I'm in the minority. I suppose it's because I don't
have any axe to grind and I still hold Bill Stroud in very high regard as a talented cue-maker and he is truly one of the best as far as far as I'm concerned.

I've owned three Bill Stroud cues and would love to own another. Like I said, I'd buy this one but the weight is wrong for me. Nonetheless, I'm always interested in owning a flat ivory joint cue by Bill
with veneers that weighs mid 18 ounces. I mention that not to hijack Mike's thread but simply to illustrate I'm not just throwing words around.......I really dig Bill Stroud as a cue-maker and I think it's
a little silly how people who have never been harmed by Bill are inclined to quickly chime in and ridicule him as a person and as a cue-maker.....Billl ain't no Tony Zinzola or Lee Pepper but people
tend to paint him with the same brush and paint used to color those two scumbag cue-makers.

Mike, you have a great cue and I hope you get a decent price. However, don't let someone steal this cue when it's worth a lot more.

You need to step up to the plate and pay a lot more bro. I'll give $675.00 for the butt only.
Bob
 
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I placed a asking price, which I felt is the true, Retail price on this Early JW Cue

Of course no one on this site will pay retail, and I wanted to give all the AZ'ers a chance to pick up a cue that are getting fewer and farther in between posts for this combination of Bill Strouds early work.

I should not have to explain, since most of the Az'ers are well educated, but here it goes for a few items,

Looking at the cue as a shooter, the combination is what I shoot with as a personal ,players combination of components.

-----Big Pin 3/8x10
------Flat Faced Ivory, Bone or Micarta (Old Style)
-------Ivory Ferrule with 20-25+GPI Old Growth Maple Shaft with 12mm Shaft
--------Ebony and Brazillian Rosewoods in the Butt Section, combined to keep the right weight and balance points and Density is Perfect and Resonance Frequencies are proper with the perfect feeback when you make a hit on the cueball, it shows itself when offcenter hits and hard and soft, slow and fast the feedback is what is described as a monster players hit! Straight Grain or BEM in the rest of the butt section as long as the right density and age to combine with the proper dark Brazillian Woods.
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Just this should be enough to sell this cue as a player, but lets also look at Bill Stroud as a CueMaker and Finally lets look at a players cue that you can play with for 20 years and will never go done in price as long as you dont burn it up or soak it in the ocean and then put it in your car in Florida in July for 2 months.

Really I should keep this cue, Locally and let people in Tampa and St. Pete area, play with it to really enjoy what this cue has to offer.

The other nice thing with keeping it as a local cue is the fact that I have, 12 Custom and Low Deflection Shafts from the First Generation PreCat 314 through OB, to Hybrid to TigerX and on and on,

This would allow a player to feel what the butt is and mate it with the original Old Growth Maple Shaft or Change to a New Generation Low Deflection Woods,

You make the choice,

In Fact I will do this, I will include Any 3/8x10 Shaft that I have of the 12 I just listed and I will include the 1x2 Huebler Box Cue Case with Stitched Top, Reinforced Corners and Red Velvet Interior with 'Huebler' Printed on the Storage Compartment that can also be used for another Butt Section to carry 2 butt and 2 shafts and 'IT HAS THE KEYS!!!'

ALL OF THIS FOR $1,750.00 plus shipping, you choose the type of shipping, if it is regular, I will cover shipping up to $20.00 shipping.

This includes:

1970's JossWest Cue with 1Butt 1 Shaft
Extra Shaft of your Choice ----12 to choose from----
Huebler Vintage 1x2 plus storage compartment Case With Keys


$1,750 Plus Shipping


If this does not sell, I will be taking it off to EBAY, sad to say, but sometimes that is where you have to take a cue like this to get the real monies,

Sorry I wont Wholesale this cue out, I would rather sell 5 or 6 basic cues and get the same type of monies, than keep sell this nice/rare Monster Hitting VINTAGE 70's Cue!!!

HOPE OTHERS CAN UNDERSTAND AND PLEASE DONT PLACE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON HERE, POSTIVE is OK, IF YOU WANT TO BEAT ME UP, PLEASE DO IT IN THE FORM OF A PERSONAL MESSAGE,

THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE FORUM AND AZ,

THANKS

I hope someone can appreciate what this cue is and offer a new home for it,

All the Best,

Respectfully

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy
 
AZers.......do yourselves and Mike a favor and keep your offers private (PM communication). Personally, I think Mike would be crazy to let the cue go for the offers posted but it's his decision.

Mike's a great guy who's suffered and survived a gauntlet of life's challenges that would have brought most of us to our knees. And who knows if any of us would have had the stamina and
determination to push on and fight through the difficult problems that seemed to almost never end.

I do not know how much Mike's Stroud cue is worth but I know it's worth more than the posted offers to buy his cue. The first thing is this cue is a very early Bill Stroud cue and as such, it's
worth appreciably more than other Josswest cues made in a different period. The cracked butthurts the cue value but not to the degree that justifies the prices presented.......IMO.

Mike, don't accept anything under a grand.....the cue is worth that much. As we already discussed,if the cue was under 19 ozs., I'd give you at least a grand for your cue....it's worth at least that
and frankly, that even seems a little low for the degree of damage to the cue. I know a lot of Azers dislike Bill since the Dream Cue Contest but I'm in the minority. I suppose it's because I don't
have any axe to grind and I still hold Bill Stroud in very high regard as a talented cue-maker and he is truly one of the best as far as far as I'm concerned.

I've owned three Bill Stroud cues and would love to own another. Like I said, I'd buy this one but the weight is wrong for me. Nonetheless, I'm always interested in owning a flat ivory joint cue by Bill
with veneers that weighs mid 18 ounces. I mention that not to hijack Mike's thread but simply to illustrate I'm not just throwing words around.......I really dig Bill Stroud as a cue-maker and I think it's
a little silly how people who have never been harmed by Bill are inclined to quickly chime in and ridicule him as a person and as a cue-maker.....Billl ain't no Tony Zinzola or Lee Pepper but people
tend to paint him with the same brush and paint used to color those two scumbag cue-makers.

Mike, you have a great cue and I hope you get a decent price. However, don't let someone steal this cue when it's worth a lot more.

Thanks for the lecture, dad......

To the OP, how do you know the wood is Brazilian?

Scott
 
$1,750.00

Of course no one on this site will pay retail, and I wanted to give all the AZ'ers a chance to pick up a cue that are getting fewer and farther in between posts for this combination of Bill Strouds early work.

I should not have to explain, since most of the Az'ers are well educated, but here it goes for a few items,

Looking at the cue as a shooter, the combination is what I shoot with as a personal ,players combination of components.

-----Big Pin 3/8x10
------Flat Faced Ivory, Bone or Micarta (Old Style)
-------Ivory Ferrule with 20-25+GPI Old Growth Maple Shaft with 12mm Shaft
--------Ebony and Brazillian Rosewoods in the Butt Section, combined to keep the right weight and balance points and Density is Perfect and Resonance Frequencies are proper with the perfect feeback when you make a hit on the cueball, it shows itself when offcenter hits and hard and soft, slow and fast the feedback is what is described as a monster players hit! Straight Grain or BEM in the rest of the butt section as long as the right density and age to combine with the proper dark Brazillian Woods.
--------

--------


Just this should be enough to sell this cue as a player, but lets also look at Bill Stroud as a CueMaker and Finally lets look at a players cue that you can play with for 20 years and will never go done in price as long as you dont burn it up or soak it in the ocean and then put it in your car in Florida in July for 2 months.

Really I should keep this cue, Locally and let people in Tampa and St. Pete area, play with it to really enjoy what this cue has to offer.

The other nice thing with keeping it as a local cue is the fact that I have, 12 Custom and Low Deflection Shafts from the First Generation PreCat 314 through OB, to Hybrid to TigerX and on and on,

This would allow a player to feel what the butt is and mate it with the original Old Growth Maple Shaft or Change to a New Generation Low Deflection Woods,

You make the choice,

In Fact I will do this, I will include Any 3/8x10 Shaft that I have of the 12 I just listed and I will include the 1x2 Huebler Box Cue Case with Stitched Top, Reinforced Corners and Red Velvet Interior with 'Huebler' Printed on the Storage Compartment that can also be used for another Butt Section to carry 2 butt and 2 shafts and 'IT HAS THE KEYS!!!'

ALL OF THIS FOR $1,750.00 plus shipping, you choose the type of shipping, if it is regular, I will cover shipping up to $20.00 shipping.

This includes:

1970's JossWest Cue with 1Butt 1 Shaft
Extra Shaft of your Choice ----12 to choose from----
Huebler Vintage 1x2 plus storage compartment Case With Keys


$1,750 Plus Shipping


If this does not sell, I will be taking it off to EBAY, sad to say, but sometimes that is where you have to take a cue like this to get the real monies,

Sorry I wont Wholesale this cue out, I would rather sell 5 or 6 basic cues and get the same type of monies, than keep sell this nice/rare Monster Hitting VINTAGE 70's Cue!!!

HOPE OTHERS CAN UNDERSTAND AND PLEASE DONT PLACE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON HERE, POSTIVE is OK, IF YOU WANT TO BEAT ME UP, PLEASE DO IT IN THE FORM OF A PERSONAL MESSAGE,

THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE FORUM AND AZ,

THANKS

I hope someone can appreciate what this cue is and offer a new home for it,

All the Best,

Respectfully

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy

With due respect in order for this cue to be worth $1,750.00 you would have to get someone as good as Stroud (I suggest Dennis Searing) to make two new ivory ferrule shafts and replace the butt cap with exact jw logo which Dennis has no problem doing and i would be interested for $1,750.00. It can be a really nice jw again and i will give it a good home. Otherwise my previous offer of $675.00 for the butt only stands.
Bob #301-351-5178
 
Since this has turned into a price discussion thread instead of a FS, I''l add my $0.02. Just what is this cue worth, when nicer examples with no busted butt cap and full shafts are only pulling $1000 or so on ebay? I think Bob's offer seems pretty fair in the current market conditions. Times aren't what they use to be guys.
 
Since this has turned into a price discussion thread instead of a FS, I''l add my $0.02. Just what is this cue worth, when nicer examples with no busted butt cap and full shafts are only pulling $1000 or so on ebay? I think Bob's offer seems pretty fair in the current market conditions. Times aren't what they use to be guys.

Agreed.
I am trying to help too, so Ill add my $0.03.

Item 1
I bought a Josswest that is pretty old, (Mr. Stroud later told me very early cue). In its life the buttcap had been replaced and I sent it to Mr. Stroud to have him put his old logo on it. IMO, without the logo on the cue it hurt the value, and you always had to "explain away" the issue with the buttcap. He did it, but since that time he has quit building and I dont think you could get him to do it. Sure, you can have someone else put the logo on, but IMO, that is not honest, and frankly I wouldnt do it. To me it is like counterfieting.

Item 2
I have had tons of these old Josswest cues, and it seems back in the "old'n" days when Sean was around the cues were a little heavier. Those Josswests had big heavy bolts on them that the bumper screwed into. On one ebony cue I had, I replaced that big heavy bolt with a aluminium bolt, and then the cue weighed the perfect weight. My point? You can lighten up these old JW cues alot, in my experience. So if weigh is the reason you are not interested in this cue, that can be significantly reduced.

I dont know if I helped or hurt, but as I have had a ton of these old JW cues, I tried to share.

I wish the best of rolls for all,

Ken
 
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It is not counterfitting to replace the butt cap and logo if the cuemaker doing the work sees the old butt cap with original logo on the cue to authenticate it to be a Bill Stroud jw cue. With his c&c he can copy the old logo to a tee. Also can round over the new butt cap exactly like the original. No cuemaker with integrity would do this without knowing is was the real deal.
 
It is not counterfitting to replace the butt cap and logo if the cuemaker doing the work sees the old butt cap with original logo on the cue to authenticate it to be a Bill Stroud jw cue. With his c&c he can copy the old logo to a tee. Also can round over the new butt cap exactly like the original. No cuemaker with integrity would do this without knowing is was the real deal.

Bob brings up a good point...look at it as "part of" or a "total" restoration on the cue. If the person doing the repair/restoration has the ability to do so with no problems...why not? (my 4 cents).

BTW...Nice cue...GLWS
 
Since this has turned into a price discussion thread instead of a FS, I''l add my $0.02. Just what is this cue worth, when nicer examples with no busted butt cap and full shafts are only pulling $1000 or so on ebay? I think Bob's offer seems pretty fair in the current market conditions. Times aren't what they use to be guys.

I agree with these guys. I have bought and sold several similar cues over the years. It takes a good condition example with full, original shafts to crack $1k in today's market, IMO.
Joe

Example:
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Well I tried, I guess its Off to EBAY for exposure to people outside of AZ

I try to give Az'ers a chance before I post out the Ebay, but I need Retail dollars for something like this, not Wholesale.

Not Problems

Respectfully

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy
 
I wish you still had this one Joe.

I agree with these guys. I have bought and sold several similar cues over the years. It takes a good condition example with full, original shafts to crack $1k in today's market, IMO.
Joe

Example:
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I couldn't jump on that baby fast enough. Joe, don't tell anybody but retail on Mike's jw like it sits is under $700.00
Bob
 
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