my name is william finnegan it is not fare to room owners they will loose a lot of money putting up 10,000 dollars i was involved with the big appale 9-ball challenge in new york at master billiards the owner lost a lot of money will never do it agaian all that does put money in the directors pockets, and players you need more sponsors to put up money and less on the room owners. i've been a tournament director for more than 10 years i no any room that puts 10,000 dollars they must be rich.
$20,000 Added Events - Room Owners Needed
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The last added money tournament here let the pool room barely break even and I believe it was only a $2,000 added. I'm not saying I want this to fail for you Mike, but there's got to be more help than "Raise 10 grand" you can provide pool rooms wanting to host your events. Pool rooms who want to participate should get on some leg work and try to get some local help, but maybe you know some names of some sponsers you haven't already tapped that someone can call to help offset costs for the pool room? Drop some names or at least tell us you have some names to give pool rooms wanting to participate. Is there going to be any kind of advertising for the events other than posters, word of mouth and AZ that will bring in a spectating crowd?
unbelievable
wow this is unbelievable! is anyone doing more for pool right now this very minute than mike janis? and listen to you guys flame him. obvioulsly he has run this big money tourneys before. he already has all the "ideas" needed to make them work and will share them with interested room owners. all he is looking for here is interested room owners. i think what kills him is he puts out there a possiblility for 6 major tourneys that will surely draw world caliber players and all he gets are posts (not even from room owners) about how it cant be done. maybe i shouldnt speak for mr janis, but it kinda kills me too.
brian
wow this is unbelievable! is anyone doing more for pool right now this very minute than mike janis? and listen to you guys flame him. obvioulsly he has run this big money tourneys before. he already has all the "ideas" needed to make them work and will share them with interested room owners. all he is looking for here is interested room owners. i think what kills him is he puts out there a possiblility for 6 major tourneys that will surely draw world caliber players and all he gets are posts (not even from room owners) about how it cant be done. maybe i shouldnt speak for mr janis, but it kinda kills me too.
brian
Mike
isn't asking for a consensus on how to do it, he already knows how to do it.
Either suggest a room, or get off his case.
And those of you who got their tiny little feelings hurt, need to wipe your noses and be a big boy.... (sarcasm intended) ...
isn't asking for a consensus on how to do it, he already knows how to do it.
Either suggest a room, or get off his case.
And those of you who got their tiny little feelings hurt, need to wipe your noses and be a big boy.... (sarcasm intended) ...
Mike,
I assume you know what you are doing as far as running the tournament. So I figured I would be the first to just throw out some rooms. Of course, I am biased because I am local and would love to see more tournaments. So how about JOB Billiards Club in Nashville or The Cue in cookeville. Are either of these rooms big enough to host your event? I'm not really concerned about how you are going to make the money. I just want to see some good pool.
I assume you know what you are doing as far as running the tournament. So I figured I would be the first to just throw out some rooms. Of course, I am biased because I am local and would love to see more tournaments. So how about JOB Billiards Club in Nashville or The Cue in cookeville. Are either of these rooms big enough to host your event? I'm not really concerned about how you are going to make the money. I just want to see some good pool.
Snapshot9 said:isn't asking for a consensus on how to do it, he already knows how to do it.
Either suggest a room, or get off his case.
And those of you who got their tiny little feelings hurt, need to wipe your noses and be a big boy.... (sarcasm intended) ...
I'm sorry, where was Mike "flamed" Pocketspeed?
I simply asked a question (politely, I might add) and am still waiting for the response.
From my reading it is Mike Janis who got his feelings hurt since he was the first one to be dismissive of what I thought was a legitimate concern: How in the world would a room be able to come up with $10k per event and expect to recover all of this?
PETARD said:
flame on.
i know this wasnt you beetle, and with respect, just to answer your question mr janis was looking for a response from room owners (and maybe also to let us fans know what he was working on). maybe he would have been better served to post in the room owners forum instead. however he has promoted successfully other large cash added tourneys and has the tools to make it happen. he didnt need anyone questioning "how can room owners afford it?". he just needed a response from folks interested in moving forward.
he is doing more to move the sport of pool ahead in this country that anyone else right now. he has a proven track record. he deserves our support.
brian
Big Dream - Big $$
Mike J.
These are all valid concerns, you cannot always go on "reputation" alone when there are so many new users and new pool halls concerned. Education is key. If you have a valid POA-Plan of Action, PNL-Profit and Loss summary sheet and a benefit package plan. Perhaps you could provide a link on here for interested parties to review.
That should keep some of the big thinkers-little pocket books at bay with their sarcastic remarks. Each room is different, each owner has a different mind set on what "success" is and how to make it. $10k plus advertising could be a small price to pay for repeat business and buzz! Which will last for months after a big event comes in. This is not an item for small pool halls with small mentality.
YOU dream it, Make it happen ....
MikeJanis said:
Mike J.
These are all valid concerns, you cannot always go on "reputation" alone when there are so many new users and new pool halls concerned. Education is key. If you have a valid POA-Plan of Action, PNL-Profit and Loss summary sheet and a benefit package plan. Perhaps you could provide a link on here for interested parties to review.
That should keep some of the big thinkers-little pocket books at bay with their sarcastic remarks. Each room is different, each owner has a different mind set on what "success" is and how to make it. $10k plus advertising could be a small price to pay for repeat business and buzz! Which will last for months after a big event comes in. This is not an item for small pool halls with small mentality.
YOU dream it, Make it happen ....
You go Mike ...
All Mike is asking for is interested owners who have a room that would be interested in holding an event like this ... He has asked no one for a firm commitment or asked for any money to be paid as of yet. He has told you if your interested what you will have to put up, I imagine this is done to weed out those who are not going to be fully committed. And now we know who some of those may be ...
It seems to me a time will come when all of these questions can be asked of Mike in a better form when things are getting closer to being finalized and you still have the option of pulling out. I think I would be a little frustrated at the response he is getting also after working so hard to make something like this happen. I wish I had or knew of a place down here in South Georgia that could hold an event like this ... While Albany and Valdosta may be options I have not been back playing long enough to explore them. Unfortunatly it seems like Atlanta , Augusta and perhaps Macon are better options for Georgia ...
In any case Mike if you put on one of these in Georgia or even South Carolina or Florida like Jacksonville please let me know I would love to come if only to watch ... I know you had one up in Atlanta when I first became a member and was just exploring this site and I did not know what all was going on ... But I promise to be in attendence at the next one I would love to see something like this and take my son also ... I use to travel from Southern California to Vegas to watch Varner and them play so Atlanta would be a piece of cake...
We need to be standing up for anyone promoting the game of pool .. Yes including room owners but we need to all be on the same page ... It serves no purpose bashing each other here on a public forum these things should be ironed out in private where these types of talks cannot hurt the game... If your interested say you are no one is asking for a commitment now ... Talk to Mike in private and see what his plans are see how he can help or what ideas he has see how all of you can work together to make this all happen... He just got a big contract to do this type of thing he must know what he is doing ... Would you want to put all your secrets on display on a public forum??? Maybe his promoters dont want to either...
My props go out to all who work to promote and further the game ... especially the ones from Georgia like Johnny Archer and Mike Janis and so many more ... Got to cheer for the State I reside in ... But thank you to all for all you do to help the game.
All Mike is asking for is interested owners who have a room that would be interested in holding an event like this ... He has asked no one for a firm commitment or asked for any money to be paid as of yet. He has told you if your interested what you will have to put up, I imagine this is done to weed out those who are not going to be fully committed. And now we know who some of those may be ...
It seems to me a time will come when all of these questions can be asked of Mike in a better form when things are getting closer to being finalized and you still have the option of pulling out. I think I would be a little frustrated at the response he is getting also after working so hard to make something like this happen. I wish I had or knew of a place down here in South Georgia that could hold an event like this ... While Albany and Valdosta may be options I have not been back playing long enough to explore them. Unfortunatly it seems like Atlanta , Augusta and perhaps Macon are better options for Georgia ...
In any case Mike if you put on one of these in Georgia or even South Carolina or Florida like Jacksonville please let me know I would love to come if only to watch ... I know you had one up in Atlanta when I first became a member and was just exploring this site and I did not know what all was going on ... But I promise to be in attendence at the next one I would love to see something like this and take my son also ... I use to travel from Southern California to Vegas to watch Varner and them play so Atlanta would be a piece of cake...
We need to be standing up for anyone promoting the game of pool .. Yes including room owners but we need to all be on the same page ... It serves no purpose bashing each other here on a public forum these things should be ironed out in private where these types of talks cannot hurt the game... If your interested say you are no one is asking for a commitment now ... Talk to Mike in private and see what his plans are see how he can help or what ideas he has see how all of you can work together to make this all happen... He just got a big contract to do this type of thing he must know what he is doing ... Would you want to put all your secrets on display on a public forum??? Maybe his promoters dont want to either...
My props go out to all who work to promote and further the game ... especially the ones from Georgia like Johnny Archer and Mike Janis and so many more ... Got to cheer for the State I reside in ... But thank you to all for all you do to help the game.
The King said:
1. How is asking a simple question "bashing"?
2. Why is it acceptable for Mike to propose his idea on a PUBLIC forum and then not acceptable for us to discuss it and ask for details?
Some people have very thin skins and a corrupted idea of what a forum is all about...
frankncali said:
Most times, the pool industry members that do sponsor events provide products to the pool room.
Money, unfortunately, is hard to come by for some.
I would like to see the $10,000 be an incentive, though, for more tournaments.
Like Beetle said, most rooms -- at least in our area -- are hurting big time. Rent is too high, and they ain't making no money from pool.
The pool rooms that do make money from pool are those who have league nights. The league players like to drink and have fun.
The tournament players -- with the exception of a very few
-- don't drink alcohol when they are competing in a tournament that pays out money. This is why some pool room owners are reluctant to be hosts. That is the way it is in the D.C. area, for the most part I think.JAM
This thread seems to have taken a wrong turn, please lets not bicker and start name calling. This is something that can work and be great for pool, lets be possitive and support the plan as it can work and move pool into the future.
I will try to answer some of the concerns for some of the people concerned in this thread and shed a different light on it for you, and I do understand your concerns, but look at it from this pont of view if you would. And note that this is my point of view and would not particularly be someone elses point of view.
If I was a large room in a heavily populated area (which I am not), Mike's plan would look attractive to me if I have had thoughts on running a large pro event. The organization that which the event is sanctioned is a well thought out plan, and would provide great players almost gauranteed to come to the event. Secondly, the organization is flipping half the added money of 20k, thats a great plan and well thought out in my opinion, the room would be holding a 20k added event in my room for half the cost.
Now, (again if I was that room owner) how I would raise my half of the added money.
I would make 2 demands from the tour organization before I would consider holding the event. First, I would want 4 spots gauranteed open spots for 4 players I would qualify in my area through qualifying events, those 4 spots would require that I pay the 4 entry fees into the event. Secondly, I would want quality promotional products sent to me to advertise the tour and event. Paying for the promo products would be ok, but I would want them available.
OK, so here is how I would attempt to raise my end of the 20k added.
#1) I would hold 4 qualifier tournaments in my room, the winner of each qualifier tournament would earn one of the spots I reserved. The entry fee for each qualifier would be $60 in which $30 would be paid out in prizes and the other $30 would go toward their entry fee in the big event and the rest to the added money I have to put up.
Doing the math on that, estimated.
Hopefully 32 players at each of 4 qualifiers is 128 entries @$30 retained= $3,840. Lets say the entry to the big event is $300, so deduct $1,200 from that and you have $2,640 toward the 10k goal.
#2) I would estimate 80 spectators a day for the first 2 days and 40 spectators on the final day. Assuming its a 3 day event. 200 spectators@$10 each is $2,000 at the door.
#3) I would approach the hotels with the details and cut a deal on rooms for the players, I would also stipulate a kickback from each booking using a code. The kickback would be $10 a night per room booked with the code. Most likely a block of 50 rooms would be used but I would not gaurantee the 50 used, and most likely 3 nights for most would raise another $1,500.
So, here I have a total of $6,140 that I think I could raise just for starters. I could go on and on, so the point here is that YES it absolutely can be done, and the offer of the organization matching the added money is very attractive to a room that WANTS to run a big event and is CAPABLE of holding a big event, actually very attractive.
Kev
I will try to answer some of the concerns for some of the people concerned in this thread and shed a different light on it for you, and I do understand your concerns, but look at it from this pont of view if you would. And note that this is my point of view and would not particularly be someone elses point of view.
If I was a large room in a heavily populated area (which I am not), Mike's plan would look attractive to me if I have had thoughts on running a large pro event. The organization that which the event is sanctioned is a well thought out plan, and would provide great players almost gauranteed to come to the event. Secondly, the organization is flipping half the added money of 20k, thats a great plan and well thought out in my opinion, the room would be holding a 20k added event in my room for half the cost.
Now, (again if I was that room owner) how I would raise my half of the added money.
I would make 2 demands from the tour organization before I would consider holding the event. First, I would want 4 spots gauranteed open spots for 4 players I would qualify in my area through qualifying events, those 4 spots would require that I pay the 4 entry fees into the event. Secondly, I would want quality promotional products sent to me to advertise the tour and event. Paying for the promo products would be ok, but I would want them available.
OK, so here is how I would attempt to raise my end of the 20k added.
#1) I would hold 4 qualifier tournaments in my room, the winner of each qualifier tournament would earn one of the spots I reserved. The entry fee for each qualifier would be $60 in which $30 would be paid out in prizes and the other $30 would go toward their entry fee in the big event and the rest to the added money I have to put up.
Doing the math on that, estimated.
Hopefully 32 players at each of 4 qualifiers is 128 entries @$30 retained= $3,840. Lets say the entry to the big event is $300, so deduct $1,200 from that and you have $2,640 toward the 10k goal.
#2) I would estimate 80 spectators a day for the first 2 days and 40 spectators on the final day. Assuming its a 3 day event. 200 spectators@$10 each is $2,000 at the door.
#3) I would approach the hotels with the details and cut a deal on rooms for the players, I would also stipulate a kickback from each booking using a code. The kickback would be $10 a night per room booked with the code. Most likely a block of 50 rooms would be used but I would not gaurantee the 50 used, and most likely 3 nights for most would raise another $1,500.
So, here I have a total of $6,140 that I think I could raise just for starters. I could go on and on, so the point here is that YES it absolutely can be done, and the offer of the organization matching the added money is very attractive to a room that WANTS to run a big event and is CAPABLE of holding a big event, actually very attractive.
Kev
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selftaut said:
Thanks for your perspective, selftaut. I hadn't thought about possibly holding qualifiers as additional source of revenue. I do hope this works and hope one of our local rooms can swing it, but I can't help but be doubtful knowing that the rooms here are barely surviving.
beetle said:
The only room I can think about that might be game for this type of arrangement would be Champions in Frederick. The Allen family are very strong pool enthusiasts. That is where they had the IPT qualifier. The pool room itself is very conveniently located, right off I-270.
JAM
1. How is asking a simple question "bashing"?
I would consider this as bashing ..
Originally Posted by PETARD
"mr janis, your communication skills suck as probably does your management skills. us idiots who are killing you are your potental customers!!!!!!! hope you make it but with all those previous successes, why are folks not knocking your door down?"
2. Why is it acceptable for Mike to propose his idea on a PUBLIC forum and then not acceptable for us to discuss it and ask for details?
Mr Janis asked for interested parties to contact him via...
"Interested billiard rooms are instructed to call Mike Janis at 1-800-200-POOL to have your facility considered as a host location for the 2009 ATS US Pro Tour." He also stated later that he would accept PM's...
To me that would indicate he wanted to keep all or at least some of the more crucial details private...
I would consider this as bashing ..
Originally Posted by PETARD
"mr janis, your communication skills suck as probably does your management skills. us idiots who are killing you are your potental customers!!!!!!! hope you make it but with all those previous successes, why are folks not knocking your door down?"
2. Why is it acceptable for Mike to propose his idea on a PUBLIC forum and then not acceptable for us to discuss it and ask for details?
Mr Janis asked for interested parties to contact him via...
"Interested billiard rooms are instructed to call Mike Janis at 1-800-200-POOL to have your facility considered as a host location for the 2009 ATS US Pro Tour." He also stated later that he would accept PM's...
To me that would indicate he wanted to keep all or at least some of the more crucial details private...
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PETARD said:
No he didn't. And he certainly didn't insult you. He was having a very bad day...and deleted his post.
There may be no one in the world who works harder or longer than Mike does to create opportunities for both pros and amateurs to compete.
I suggest that you back off.
Jim