With respect I have plenty of people here more than capable of teaching me anything I need to know about one pocket. Whether I learn or not is another topic.
$20,000 Challenge to Lou Figueroa.
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With respect I have plenty of people here more than capable of teaching me anything I need to know about one pocket. Whether I learn or not is another topic.
Honestly that was just a joke. I really didn't ( don't ) know much about either of you other than what was on yalls thread wars leading up to the match. I was actually at SBE last year and was planning to go watch your match and was gonna try to put a sweat bet down on John. My Dundalk boys backed out of going last second and I didnt feel like being stuck alone with the chic I had brought with me so just ended up going to AC.
Without trying to get too much into yalls biz I just want to ask your take on this as JB seems to be pretty clear. I suggested DCC earlier. I kinda thought you both may end up there anyway. Also figured, neutral location, neutral table, and perfect action venue. Is this even something you would possibly consider?
You're right, at the end of it all I decided to stick with ten thousand. IF Lou's backer would have called my raise any of the FOUR times I publicly offered it prior to the match we would have played for 20k frozen up more than a month before the match.
I could have easily backed out on the day of the match for 3k and I considered it because I was unprepared having just come off a brutal show where I worked a good 18 hours a day for six days straight after a 24 hour drive from New Orleans. Instead I just bet the 10k.
Which is part of the reason that one of my conditions is that ALL the money is posted well before the match. I was brash and bold last time and the threads were ridiculous and I spent far too much time responding to trolls.
Again though it doesn't matter. A simple offer to play a man for 20,000 dollars is on the table. $20,000 buys a lot of things, a wonderful vacation, a car, a new addition on the house, there are plenty of good things that 20k buys. So if one wants to throw away the chance to earn an easy 20k (at least according to the majority of smart players on here) because of ego and whatever happened 18 months ago I that is their problem.
For me, I just want to play some one pocket with Lou and see if I can do better than last time and have a chance to earn some profit on it. As I said last time I can afford to lose the money and not have it ruin my life. Sure it stings but not because of the money. It stings because I feel that I could have played much better than I did. So I am willing to try again and try to do more than just break even. Breaking even wouldn't be so bad but it wouldn't give me the feeling of real victory that a 10k profit would.
And I have to say that if a man says he has no interest in winning 20k when he already said he will play for 10k I have to think that man has some sort of problem, pride, ego or something, maybe just plain old fear. Fear which is likely misplaced based on the match results last time.
I will never again schedule any sort of high stakes grudge match at or near an event that I would be working at.
Part of the problem for me and a huge mistake on my part was to schedule the last match two days after the conclusion of the SBE. We drove 24 hours from New Orleans straight to the venue and I immediately put in 18 hour days for five days straight. To say that I was physically exhausted the day before the match is an understatement.
Also I literally had almost no chance to really practice before the match and what practice I did get was interrupted with case questions and conversation about the match etc...
So I won't ever do that again. My terms are clear, they are fair and most importantly they are simple.
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For such an easy lead pipe cinch score of 20K, you could afford to pay some old chump like me $500 and I show up at your place with a reliable car and drive you to the match while you and your backers plan strategy (which it looks like you don't need) for beating "this bum" and then you fly back home on his money.
Or just finance yourself. Deal the backers out, let them stay at home, scratch that itch, get nothing, and get glad by themselves.
And you get to snooze in the back seat except for pit stops and food along the way.
I pay for the food.
GoldenFlash
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Allen Hopkins once stated that in gambling, the man with the steady income of a job or business usually has the best of it at the gate since he knows he can always go away for a spell and come up with some more money.
Bill Staton proved that for years. (Weenie Beanie)
Kinda' makes sense to me.
Bringing family into this is a low blow.
ok, So this means we all get to see the new comic in your signature line for awhile now.
My guess is 20K stays in everyone's own pocket. and Lou gets some dust kicked on him for not accepting, and JB had no worries except for the heart he showing for a rematch. :grin:
We will see. I guess Lou is scared and his backers aren't so keen on the idea either.
But you claimed that I was coached. Your backer claimed that's why I won any games at all. So I put in a rule that should take any hint of coaching off the table.
Someone just misheard him. He wasn't saying " Im stalling " he was saying "IM STEALING "!
Sounds right to me.
Fair enough. You're scared and that's a perfectly valid reason not to play. You're a decent player, a steady player and you do make some good shots from time to time. I feel like I have my hands full for sure. But if you don't feel that way it's understandable.
I know what fear feels like and I don't get into matches where I am afraid of my opponent.
I will ask again. Next time I have extra money to bet I will offer it to him again if he doesn't find the backing or the heart to play this time. I will offer it many times because that's how I am. As he gets older and more fearful the chances of winning again will decrease.
As for living with the loss, please. I feel I could have played better and I feel that I should have won. I know why I didn't and that's fine. I said last year I would challenge Lou to play again when I wa ready and here it is.
Nice one Lou. You will play scared on someone else's money. That's a true pool player for you.
As I recall, it drove John absolutely ape-sheeto when Jimbo beat him and wouldn't give him a rematch. He endlessly taunted him saying, "John, I will never give you a shot. I will forever be winners over you." Drove John crazy.
Of course that's a relative term
Lou Figueroa
Didn't drive me crazy at all. Jimbo is a huge nit. I am winner in life over that nit who is forever confined to his own little ego-fest in the tiniest corner of the internet.
A place where you dare not go by the way because you get shredded every time you try.
But since you bring it up that is ANOTHER example of bad planning. The worst blizzard in a century hit Denver and I had to drive through it to get to Kansas City to catch a flight after spending four hours on the tarmac at the airport. So by the time I arrived I was already awake for nearly 24 hours and played Jimbo anyway. Just ran out of gas mid-match and dogged it. Just like with you I stuck out my hand and said I hope this resolves things and just like you he said ok and then continued to be obnoxious afterward.
Nothing but a speed bump in life and as I said, my life is great. I know who I am and where I stand, and in regards to both of you I stand on the side of right regardless of what happens on the pool table.
ah, so I was right about how Jimbo not giving you a rematch stuck in your craw. Even all these years later, lol. Perfect. I should have known how important winning was to you after you went on and on about beating me one time for funsies at an RSB get together 15 years ago.
I believe I will just be happy with my $10,000 win over the great John Barton. Let me spell that out for you, John.
Lifetime score for the dough:
Lou 1
John 0
Lou Figueroa
Actually I told you that I considered the win over you to be a fluke. I only mentioned it with a big smiley to tease you. I had no pretensions that beating you in a race to 2 meant that I was the better player.
I don't give a shit about it or even the loss in NJ other than I know I could have done better and I feel bad about that.
Look man, I know you're scared to play me. You have been scared for years and only when it was someone else's money did you even consider it. It's cool. You're getting older and fear can set in and that can really mess with your mind.
If you figure it out and can find some heart my offer stands until next Friday. Or maybe someone will actually back you again but I kind of doubt it when you display this much fear. Not quite a two-bit coward but definitely some yips at the thought of any possibility of losing to me. Anyway you have a week to sort it out.
20k, Ten Ahead, Jamacia Joes in December.
They are simple and clear and fair.
I want a long match on a good table and don't want to travel to do it. I also don't want to argue/discuss about it like last time. Last time Lou played a lot of head games prompting me to ask Mike Page step in and to make a ruling.
I want to avoid all of that and laid out simple and fair terms that favor the guy who has cashed every time he has played DCC one pocket. I didn't ask the Montana State 8 Ball champion for weight or any other nit move like that.
And for the record, I am lifetime about $1500 loser on the 9 foot tables at Jamacia Joes playing one pocket. That is easily verified by calling the people who play there. It's not like those are my pet tables. I HATE those tables but I like the room a lot and it is five minutes from my house.
Lifetime score:
Lou $10,000
John 0
Lou Figueroa
and I'm good with that
John, not so much
I am fine with it.
But let's get the math right.
John - Lost 9400 of his own money. I let two other people in for $600.
Lou - backed for almost all of it and won maybe 4k at most. So for all that effort you only got about 4000 dollars because you were scared to bet.
If you think that this bothers me then you're wrong. If we never play again it's ok with me. But it does illustrate how scared you are as a person. I didn't negotiate a rematch and that's cool too.
But I did tell you this back when you first started barking on 1P.org:
I said IF I win then I will play you again and give you a ball and keep doing that until you win a set.
I will do the same here, if I win I will give you 9:8. And if I win that I will give you 10:8....
Because you see, I have heart Lou and you have none. If you develop some between now and Friday then we can dance again for $20,000 this time and I will give you a written guarantee to play again giving you a ball if I win.
Pat is an evil human Dave. Don't sweat it. Insulting people and making nasty snide comments is his form of entertainment.
Like many though he is nice in person. Something about the internet and distance makes people feel that they can say things that would get them hurt in a face to face situation.
I don't care anymore because these are inconsequential people who have no influence in the world. Not even in the pool world.
All they have is the power to knock on AZB. No power to influence anyone or anything. When you realize that you understand their motivation. People like us get off on seeing people get better and enjoy playing more. People like them get off on causing misery and trying to instill fear of the unknown. Let them have their fun, it's all they have.
Thank you. It's actually 2:2 in matches and in games played it's 9 for you and 8 for me.
I can understand why you are scared. You're a hundred ball runner, you cash all the time at DCC and you're a state champion. I flipped your backers and you a 10k tip for showing up and you don't want to ever have the chance to lose that status.
Totally get it. Savor it. I spend 10k on things like sewing machines and laser engravers and sometimes just a $1000 on a vacuum cleaner if I feel like it. I understand that for a guy like you living on the government teat having one 10k win in your life, even if you were backed, is a thrill you want to savor in the latter half of your life. It's cool with me.
Don't sweat it Lou. I figured that fear would be the primary reason you wouldn't jump on this. Of course you would be happy to play on someone else's money though so ethics isn't really part of your character.
Thank you for allowing me to keep this 20k and spend it on something that will make me much more money. If you don't accept by Friday I will send you some roses.
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