You are lucky. I have actually had someone beat me, and next time I asked them to play again they wanted weight! (not a long time between matches either, no change is playing ability)
$20,000 Challenge to Lou Figueroa.
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You are lucky. I have actually had someone beat me, and next time I asked them to play again they wanted weight! (not a long time between matches either, no change is playing ability)
My memory could be incorrect but I seem to recall that you dictated the amount that was played for (Lou was willing to bet a lot more and you said you would too but then on site moments before the match started you lowered the amount you would actually bet), you dictated the location of the match to be far away out of state for your opponent, you dictated the specific table the match was to take place on, and you dictated that the match had to be streamed live and free to the world for maximum match pressure and humiliation for the loser. You probably dictated more but I can't recall.
You can't get much bigger than dictating the playing location, the table, the amount of the stakes, and that it has to be streamed free for the world. Doesn't get much more major than that. Surely whatever Lou dictated pales in comparison, but as with you I don't recall all of his non negotiable points that he dictated. What were they? No show money had to be posted? What else?
come at me bro.
Maybe but it's also true. You probably remember that Lou created the thread challenging me and laid down his conditions. I agreed to almost all of them as I recall.
I'd have to go back to the original thread but I am pretty sure I am right. In any event that match is over with so it doesn't really matter what happened before.
It's a new year and a new challenge. If accepted we can get it on and if not then not.
All of your input is fine but it's my 20k and I will decide who, where and how I want to play for it. I don't have to risk it in a one pocket match I can easily triple it by investing it back into my business.
You compare a pool room to an open forum on the internet where a thread is opened by John Barton.
Like I said...
You're a Genius.
I had said for years that I would play for $100 a game. Someone speaking for Lou barked at me to play for $20,000 on One Pocket.org. I responded saying I would play a ten ahead match for $10,000 and was called a coward, a nit, and a host of other things.
Years later Lou tried to use this as a way to needle me, calling me a two-bit coward and I responded that we could play any of the times I was in America at shows. Lou attended many of the same shows that I did so this was perfect for us to get together for a match (I thought but turned out not to be such a good idea).
I wanted a 10 ahead set and he wanted a race. I wanted to play on the Diamond in the arena and he insisted on a Gold Crown. When PPV was on the table in private he was ok with streaming as long as he got money for it. I did insist on a free stream for several reasons. One of which is that I feel it's ludicrous for amateurs to get paid to play pool and even more ridiculous to ask people to pay to watch them. And I felt that for a grudge match of that magnitude it would be unfair to restrict the viewers to those willing to pay. Lastly of course I wanted my company logo to be shown to as many people as possible since I was looking at the whole thing as a marketing opportunity alongside the personal reason to play.
I didn't lower the amount I would bet. We agreed to 10k and that's what I bet. I offered to raise the best four times to 20k on the condition that we post the full amount and all four offers were met with silence. So when they tried to raise the bet when my show started I felt it was a nitty move and I had already allocated a lot of money in my business so I declined the raise offer.
Anyway I don't really want to go over it all again because that chapter is closed. Now I have made an incredibly fair offer to someone that nearly everyone thinks is a far superior player. Obviously I think I have a chance or I wouldn't make the offer but the bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with my offer and if anyone thinks Lou has the best of it they should be encouraging him to accept.
I don't really care one way or the other but in my opinion the only two things preventing Lou from accepting assuming he can get backed is fear or ego. I doubt he is scared so ego will allow what most think is an easy payday to go away.
I am definitely not traveling more than five minutes away from my own bed to play for this much money. I learned last time the importance of being physically ready. Non-negotiable means exactly that.
I feel the exact same way. Everyone can see that Lou ran over me.
Not this time. My terms are clear and fair and not up for negotiation.
i'll say they're very fair, no idea why he would even counter
if he's as good as everyone on az thinks he is, then...
take the terms and take the money
Biased towards my friend? Are you sniffing glue??? I can't stand Lou's guts and wouldn't mind if he got struck by a meteor. That said, if I happened to like him and happened to be his best friend, we'd make SO much money on this match. I'd never allow him to talk like a fag as we'd be soooo busy insta-calling and taking every single side bet we could find on the mo-fo'ing internet. I'd literally hire a goddamn call center to handle the incoming bets for us.
Lou wouldn't bet that water is wet and wouldn't have played at all had someone not shoved him into the box and stuffed money in his mouth like a pig. Lou wouldn't think it was stealing unless John were fuggin' dead.
Lou will def play this match accepting every single term that Barton asked for because out of the enormous ocean of mongoloid retards, there exists a few highly intellient people with lots of money who will use Lou to take the donation. They'll literally drop kick him into the box and tell him to stumble back with the cash.
Anyone who can't see that this is a mismatch needs to stop sniffing glue.
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Not when you keep telling me to. And you've got some nerve lol. I don't care what your name is, where you live, what you look like, how you play - can you say the same of me?
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Possibly. Which word are you referring to?
To be fair 10k was the initial minimum you both were starting the negotiation from for that match but in the weeks before the bet you said that you would bet 30k+ with Lou on match day, you also said that you would take and cover any and all bets from Lou and anyone else against you in any amount unlimited, and I believe your last word was that you would be matching and betting anything Lou came with up to 20k (although it is possible the 30k was your last word). When you got there Lou plopped down 25k to bet. You plopped down 10k, and you only even did that after first pulling a move by trying to tell Lou that you didn't have the bet money at all and wanted to play for some much lesser amount (just the no show money only as I recall--3k?). Obviously the move was intended to piss Lou off and get him rattled and off his game.
So yes, by leaving as your last word that you would bet 20k with Lou in person on match day, and then only being willing to cover and bet 10k when Lou put up 25k, yes, I absolutely see that as you cutting back and dictating the bet amount to only 10k when according to your last word you were willing to cover and bet at least 20k.
Not only that, but you actually completely backed out of and cancelled other side bets you had with other people on here that were set up in stone prior to match day. At least be honest about what you did if nothing else.
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