20 minute epoxy for ring & joint work?

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Been using 20 minute for inlays and sealing only. Been thinking of trying it for rings and collar to give myself more time to position my rings. Is this a bad idea?
 
Been using 20 minute for inlays and sealing only. Been thinking of trying it for rings and collar to give myself more time to position my rings. Is this a bad idea?

I always liked 1 hour and let sit over night. Most times dry to the touch does not mean fully cured and cutting to soon can cause heat that can cause a seperation which could lead to a rattle in those areas.
 
I am in the slow epoxy camp for that type of construction. Twenty minute would be too fast for me.
 
I haven't used 5min in at least 5 yrs, for ANYTHING.
No operation done on a cue should ever be done in haste.
Exception: When the jnt-pin is nearing cherry-red.
Get busy.

KJ
 
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Joey, you got yourself set up to use the different hardners with same resin?

206 is the hardener . 105 is the epoxy.
There are so many ways to use that combo for different applications.
But, be warned. If you use it for joint pin, better make sure you won't need to blowtorch that pin ever . If you are using brass or G-10 screw, 206 away. Those are easy to machine out if needed.
 
Been using 20 minute for inlays and sealing only. Been thinking of trying it for rings and collar to give myself more time to position my rings. Is this a bad idea?

not a bad idea at all
you can also do this
build your ring paks off the cue on a delrin jig
you can see the alignment marks indexed every 45 degrees
1st pic, obviously not glued and lined up, that was just to show my guy the 2 options i had in mind
 

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Joey, you got yourself set up to use the different hardners with same resin?

There are 4 hardeners with 105 that you can use. What I DON'T like with West, and this is based on over 20 years experience with it, is it likes to discolor with time if left unused. The fast I have is reddish pink now and unusable for anything visible.

On boats, the shipwrights almost always use the fast for repairs. ALTHOUGH, the new vinylester is getting very popular.
 
I use slower epoxy for rings and structural parts. I only use 5 minute for ferrules and sealing.
 
There are 4 hardeners with 105 that you can use. What I DON'T like with West, and this is based on over 20 years experience with it, is it likes to discolor with time if left unused. The fast I have is reddish pink now and unusable for anything visible.

On boats, the shipwrights almost always use the fast for repairs. ALTHOUGH, the new vinylester is getting very popular.

White pigment works. :D
 
Just a note.... epoxy needs to be rubbed in to the surface of both parts being glued together ... you can't just drizzle it on and slap things together.

I still use 5 min for some things but I have switched to a slow set epoxy for sealer.

Kim
 
build your ring paks off the cue on a delrin jig

Brent, I’ve been using delrin ring fixtures for quite a while now. It takes a bit of torque to release them from the delrin though. As I’m trying thinner and thinner rings and veneer, this concerns me getting the ring pack off the delrin. Thus the epoxy questions. Your rings look very thin. If you are not having a problem with using the slow cure than I will give it a try.

Three questions for the West system guys.
A: How do you keep the hand pumps clean or do you have to?
2: Is the 205 more of a medium set time?
C: Preference on where to buy on the net? No retail anywhere near me.

Has anyone tried the Bob Smith 206 Slow-Cure 9oz Epoxy from Amazon? Interesting that it is also named “206” but is a completely different 1 to 1 mix.
I'd like to try Atlas's but they are out.

Good conversation gentlemen. Very helpful, thanks.
 
Three questions for the West system guys.
A: How do you keep the hand pumps clean or do you have to?
2: Is the 205 more of a medium set time?
C: Preference on where to buy on the net? No retail anywhere near me.

Has anyone tried the Bob Smith 206 Slow-Cure 9oz Epoxy from Amazon? Interesting that it is also named “206” but is a completely different 1 to 1 mix.
I'd like to try Atlas's but they are out.

Good conversation gentlemen. Very helpful, thanks.

I use West or System 3 depending on what I am doing. No need for hand pumps. Just a dixie cup and a digital scale.
 
Brent, I’ve been using delrin ring fixtures for quite a while now. It takes a bit of torque to release them from the delrin though. As I’m trying thinner and thinner rings and veneer, this concerns me getting the ring pack off the delrin. Thus the epoxy questions. Your rings look very thin. If you are not having a problem with using the slow cure than I will give it a try.

Three questions for the West system guys.
A: How do you keep the hand pumps clean or do you have to?
2: Is the 205 more of a medium set time?
C: Preference on where to buy on the net? No retail anywhere near me.

Has anyone tried the Bob Smith 206 Slow-Cure 9oz Epoxy from Amazon? Interesting that it is also named “206” but is a completely different 1 to 1 mix.
I'd like to try Atlas's but they are out.

Good conversation gentlemen. Very helpful, thanks.

A. I keep the pump on the resin and I put the hardener in a squeeze bottle.
2. It's faster and I have had no use for it .
C. Rockler on line or just Ebay.

BSI's are the cheaper kind . Probably good enough for collars and ferrules but I wouldn't trust them for joint pins , A-joint and buttplate.
 
not a bad idea at all
you can also do this
build your ring paks off the cue on a delrin jig
you can see the alignment marks indexed every 45 degrees
1st pic, obviously not glued and lined up, that was just to show my guy the 2 options i had in mind

I usually use a slower setting epoxy on rings, but many years ago I made up different sized delrin jigs and spacers for glueing ring packs up. Much easier to line/index the segments up before going into a cue. Still have to line the rings packs up, But It's much easier to line those 4 or so up, as opposed to several times that many.
 
Thank you gentlemen. All opinions are good advise. I ordered some West 105 and 206 to give it a try.
 
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