$200 for a billiard university diploma!!

His Boy Elroy

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I'm a bit confused. I wish someone would help me out. What is Billiard University? Can I see it or touch it or taste it in some way? Is there any other way I can perceive what it could possibly be? Can someone describe this entity to me In a way where I could have just a fasmile of recognition of it's existence?

Maybe it's me but I just can't seem to get a grasp of this concept of a Billiard University. I've visited www.billiarduniversity.org and it still doesn't help. There's only 5 things you can do over there. 1) You can learn about an instructional weekend that's going to be held in July of 2014 by 3 instructors from ( billiard university?). They call it (billiard university?) boot camp. It's 17 hours of instruction over a 3 day weekend. Tuition is $850. Most universities provide more than 17 hours of instruction a year. I'm stll confused.

2) You can purchase up to 5 instructional videos from instructors at (billiard university?) Well...that's an online store. It's not a university. Accuu Stats doesn't call itself a university. At least I don't think it does. I'm remaining confused!

3) You can access just about everything Dr. Dave has published for free about pool. I've benefitted some by reading Dr.Dave and when he sits down at his typewriter he sure does bring an energy and drive with him that produces a startlingly large amount of information and explanations; nevertheless, Dave strikes me as a humble guy and he certainly wouldn't be the type of guy who would think to himself, "Inside my mind there exists a university! .........confusion reigns!

4) Well; then there's the test. There's all kinds of info about the test. There's an under view, an overview, a middleview. Basically, by far, most of the subject matter at the site is about the test and after all the preview matter is read, instruction is given on how to actually take the test....A test is not a university. They don't call the PAT a university. They all it the pool assessment test....I just can't shake this confusion!

While still on the subject of the test...They now start talking about how results from the test could make a taker eligible to apply for a diploma from (Billiard University??) Depending on the score one could obtain a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a masters degree with honors, or a doctorate. From the low score needed to obtain a bachelors degree it looks like the only person who woudn't qualify would be someone with casts on both arms who has to shoot holding the cue between his toes!

So now, they start talking about the cost of a diploma from (Billiard University???)
You have to send in a tape of yourself to Randy. He's the Registraar of (Billiard University????) Randy officially confirms the score.

If a tester qualifies for a (Billiard University?????) diploma, there are 3 options. The recipient can choose to pay $200 and have a diploma with fancy ass paper sent to them, they can pay $175 and have it maid to them in a PDF file which can then be copied, or they can choose to have no diploma, but have their degree accomplishment listed on the (Billiard University??????) site for $150.

Well; seems some folks have already obtained degrees and their names are listed: fifteen in all. 5 of them are (Billiard University???????) instructors. ( I'll get to that) It's logical to assume the other 10 members are family members of the instructors.

5) Ok; now to the faculty of (Billiard University????????). Dr. Dave Is the Dean. He's the founder of (Billiard University?????????) along with Randy the Registraar. There are 6 professors. I don't want to list all their names but they're some of the most well known instructors and writers in the pool industry.

Below them are the assistant professors of (Billiard University??????????) There's about 8 of them and a few big names there too. Below them on the totem pole are several contributing instructors.

The point of all this is; all of you can go over to the site and see for yourself what I just described. The reason I described detail by detail what I saw is to explain that no where over there did I ever pick up a clue as to what the hell (Billiard University????????????) is or where it is or how it exists as an entity in any way, shape, or form. OH YEAH! I FORGOT TO TELL YA! THERE'S A WHOLE BIG SECTION THAT EXPLAINS THAT THE PROFESSORS, THE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS, AND THE CONTRIBUTING PROFESSORS ALL GET TO SHARE IN THE PROFITS TAKEN IN FROM THE SALE OF DIPLOMAS!

So; as I said, I'm confused. I really can't understand why some of the biggest names among American pool instructors are trying to profit by selling diplomas costing $150 to $200 dollars from a university that doesn't exist. As I said before, maybe it's me. If Billiard University really exists, please help me find it; and please tell others too, because as of right now, I doubt there's a single person other than instructors, or family members and friends of instructors who have obtained a so-called diploma.

It must be a rude awakening when you think everyone else in the pool community other than yourselves is stupid and you're proved wrong!!!
 
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voiceofreason

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Can you get grants to go to the Billiards University?

It looks really really exclusive - hardly anyone has one of these diplomas:

http://www.billiarduniversity.org/alumni.html

cap_gown_diploma.jpg
 

JB Cases

www.jbcases.com
Silver Member
Chris Bartum said anyone with a BU diploma has action for life and he will refund the the cost of the diploma. :)

Kidding Chris said no such thing but probably would play.
 
Whilst I think the concept is not a bad idea and has potential, the presentation and marketing has lost me entirely.

I would also add the tests themselves are too boring to even think about.
 

B8kill3r

B8kill3r
I'm a bit confused. I wish someone would help me out. What is Billiard University? Can I see it or touch it or taste it in some way? Is there any other way I can perceive what it could possibly be? Can someone describe this entity to me In a way where I could have just a fasmile of recognition of it's existence?

Maybe it's me but I just can't seem to get a grasp of this concept of a Billiard University. I've visited www.billiarduniversity.org and it still doesn't help. There's only 5 things you can do over there. 1) You can learn about an instructional weekend that's going to be held in July of 2014 by 3 instructors from ( billiard university?). They call it (billiard university?) boot camp. It's 17 hours of instruction over a 3 day weekend. Tuition is $850. Most universities provide more than 17 hours of instruction a year. I'm stll confused.

2) You can purchase up to 5 instructional videos from instructors at (billiard university?) Well...that's an online store. It's not a university. Accuu Stats doesn't call itself a university. At least I don't think it does. I'm remaining confused!

3) You can access just about everything Dr. Dave has published for free about pool. I've benefitted some by reading Dr.Dave and when he sits down at his typewriter he sure does bring an energy and drive with him that produces a startlingly large amount of information and explanations; nevertheless, Dave strikes me as a humble guy and he certainly wouldn't be the type of guy who would think to himself, "Inside my mind there exists a university! .........confusion reigns!

4) Well; then there's the test. There's all kinds of info about the test. There's an under view, an overview, a middleview. Basically, by far, most of the subject matter at the site is about the test and after all the preview matter is read, instruction is given on how to actually take the test....A test is not a university. They don't call the PAT a university. They all it the pool assessment test....I just can't shake this confusion!

While still on the subject of the test...They now start talking about how results from the test could make a taker eligible to apply for a diploma from (Billiard University??) Depending on the score one could obtain a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a masters degree with honors, or a doctorate. From the low score needed to obtain a bachelors degree it looks like the only person who woudn't qualify would be someone with casts on both arms who has to shoot holding the cue between his toes!

So now, they start talking about the cost of a diploma from (Billiard University???)
You have to send in a tape of yourself to Randy. He's the Registraar of (Billiard University????) Randy officially confirms the score.

If a tester qualifies for a (Billiard University?????) diploma, there are 3 options. The recipient can choose to pay $200 and have a diploma with fancy ass paper sent to them, they can pay $175 and have it maid to them in a PDF file which can then be copied, or they can choose to have no diploma, but have their degree accomplishment listed on the (Billiard University??????) site for $150.

Well; seems some folks have already obtained degrees and their names are listed: fifteen in all. 5 of them are (Billiard University???????) instructors. ( I'll get to that) It's logical to assume the other 10 members are family members of the instructors.

5) Ok; now to the faculty of (Billiard University????????). Dr. Dave Is the Dean. He's the founder of (Billiard University?????????) along with Randy the Registraar. There are 6 professors. I don't want to list all their names but they're some of the most well known instructors and writers in the pool industry.

Below them are the assistant professors of (Billiard University??????????) There's about 8 of them and a few big names there too. Below them on the totem pole are several contributing instructors.

The point of all this is; all of you can go over to the site and see for yourself what I just described. The reason I described detail by detail what I saw is to explain that no where over there did I ever pick up a clue as to what the hell (Billiard University????????????) is or where it is or how it exists as an entity in any way, shape, or form. OH YEAH! I FORGOT TO TELL YA! THERE'S A WHOLE BIG SECTION THAT EXPLAINS THAT THE PROFESSORS, THE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS, AND THE CONTRIBUTING PROFESSORS ALL GET TO SHARE IN THE PROFITS TAKEN IN FROM THE SALE OF DIPLOMAS!

So; as I said, I'm confused. I really can't understand why some of the biggest names among American pool instructors are trying to profit by selling diplomas costing $150 to $200 dollars from a university that doesn't exist. As I said before, maybe it's me. If Billiard University really exists, please help me find it; and please tell others too, because as of right now, I doubt there's a single person other than instructors, or family members and friends of instructors who have obtained a so-called diploma.

It must be a rude awakening when you think everyone else in the pool community other than yourselves is stupid and you're proved wrong!!!
May as well send me some money too:D:eek:
 

Eagleshot

Mark Nanashee
Silver Member
What's the problem??

They came up with a great combination of fundamentals and drills to test your ability.

They offered this information for free!

If you want to get a Diploma - more power to you. (I've spent $200 on worse things)

* I do not have and do not plan on getting a Diploma but I feel the information helps develop and measure ability.
 

voiceofreason

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
What's the problem??

They came up with a great combination of fundamentals and drills to test your ability.

They offered this information for free!

If you want to get a Diploma - more power to you. (I've spent $200 on worse things)

* I do not have and do not plan on getting a Diploma but I feel the information helps develop and measure ability.

Does this diploma help you win tournaments or do you still have to practise on a daily basis?
 

Eagleshot

Mark Nanashee
Silver Member
I can no longer participate in this conversation. You obviously have a superior intellect, and I cannot compete.
 

voiceofreason

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I do not need a diploma to tell me how good or bad I am though??

I can read my pool league website statistics to gauge my place in my local area. Should I wish to play at a higher standard, I can enter higher level tours/tournaments and the same applies.
 

Icon of Sin

I can't fold, I need gold. I re-up and reload...
Silver Member
I can read my pool league website statistics to gauge my place in my local area.

All that is going to do is tell you where you rank in a handicapped league structure... not your place in actual pool in your area.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I'm a bit confused. I wish someone would help me out. What is Billiard University? Can I see it or touch it or taste it in some way? Is there any other way I can perceive what it could possibly be? Can someone describe this entity to me In a way where I could have just a fasmile of recognition of it's existence?

Maybe it's me but I just can't seem to get a grasp of this concept of a Billiard University. I've visited www.billiarduniversity.org and it still doesn't help. There's only 5 things you can do over there. 1) You can learn about an instructional weekend that's going to be held in July of 2014 by 3 instructors from ( billiard university?). They call it (billiard university?) boot camp. It's 17 hours of instruction over a 3 day weekend. Tuition is $850. Most universities provide more than 17 hours of instruction a year. I'm stll confused.

2) You can purchase up to 5 instructional videos from instructors at (billiard university?) Well...that's an online store. It's not a university. Accuu Stats doesn't call itself a university. At least I don't think it does. I'm remaining confused!

3) You can access just about everything Dr. Dave has published for free about pool. I've benefitted some by reading Dr.Dave and when he sits down at his typewriter he sure does bring an energy and drive with him that produces a startlingly large amount of information and explanations; nevertheless, Dave strikes me as a humble guy and he certainly wouldn't be the type of guy who would think to himself, "Inside my mind there exists a university! .........confusion reigns!

4) Well; then there's the test. There's all kinds of info about the test. There's an under view, an overview, a middleview. Basically, by far, most of the subject matter at the site is about the test and after all the preview matter is read, instruction is given on how to actually take the test....A test is not a university. They don't call the PAT a university. They all it the pool assessment test....I just can't shake this confusion!

While still on the subject of the test...They now start talking about how results from the test could make a taker eligible to apply for a diploma from (Billiard University??) Depending on the score one could obtain a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a masters degree with honors, or a doctorate. From the low score needed to obtain a bachelors degree it looks like the only person who woudn't qualify would be someone with casts on both arms who has to shoot holding the cue between his toes!

So now, they start talking about the cost of a diploma from (Billiard University???)
You have to send in a tape of yourself to Randy. He's the Registraar of (Billiard University????) Randy officially confirms the score.

If a tester qualifies for a (Billiard University?????) diploma, there are 3 options. The recipient can choose to pay $200 and have a diploma with fancy ass paper sent to them, they can pay $175 and have it maid to them in a PDF file which can then be copied, or they can choose to have no diploma, but have their degree accomplishment listed on the (Billiard University??????) site for $150.

Well; seems some folks have already obtained degrees and their names are listed: fifteen in all. 5 of them are (Billiard University???????) instructors. ( I'll get to that) It's logical to assume the other 10 members are family members of the instructors.

5) Ok; now to the faculty of (Billiard University????????). Dr. Dave Is the Dean. He's the founder of (Billiard University?????????) along with Randy the Registraar. There are 6 professors. I don't want to list all their names but they're some of the most well known instructors and writers in the pool industry.

Below them are the assistant professors of (Billiard University??????????) There's about 8 of them and a few big names there too. Below them on the totem pole are several contributing instructors.

The point of all this is; all of you can go over to the site and see for yourself what I just described. The reason I described detail by detail what I saw is to explain that no where over there did I ever pick up a clue as to what the hell (Billiard University????????????) is or where it is or how it exists as an entity in any way, shape, or form. OH YEAH! I FORGOT TO TELL YA! THERE'S A WHOLE BIG SECTION THAT EXPLAINS THAT THE PROFESSORS, THE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS, AND THE CONTRIBUTING PROFESSORS ALL GET TO SHARE IN THE PROFITS TAKEN IN FROM THE SALE OF DIPLOMAS!

So; as I said, I'm confused. I really can't understand why some of the biggest names among American pool instructors are trying to profit by selling diplomas costing $150 to $200 dollars from a university that doesn't exist. As I said before, maybe it's me. If Billiard University really exists, please help me find it; and please tell others too, because as of right now, I doubt there's a single person other than instructors, or family members and friends of instructors who have obtained a so-called diploma.

It must be a rude awakening when you think everyone else in the pool community other than yourselves is stupid and you're proved wrong!!!


Sit down, because I known this is going to come as a shock, but Amazon.com is not a store you can walk into, you can't pick up and hold a copy of Wikipedia, and when a player is inducted into The National Soccer Hall of Fame they don't get a plaque they get a web page. It's a brave new world out there. Welcome.

Lou Figueroa
 

StraightPoolIU

Brent
Silver Member
Wow that was a really long post just to say "I don't get it." If you don't dig it don't go to the website or use their instructional materials. That simple. Personally I've taken the tests and done the drills and think they've been good for my game.
 

KC7MRQ

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Accreditation

Is BU accredited? Can my pool class credits from other accredited universities be transferred over?
 

Spimp13

O8 Specialist
Silver Member
Hmm...maybe PM Dave to ask him instead of creating a thread where it sounds like you are spazzing on a Friday?
 

sfleinen

14.1 & One Pocket Addict
Gold Member
Silver Member
Sit down, because I known this is going to come as a shock, but Amazon.com is not a store you can walk into, you can't pick up and hold a copy of Wikipedia, and when a player is inducted into The National Soccer Hall of Fame they don't get a plaque they get a web page. It's a brave new world out there. Welcome.

Lou Figueroa

Yup, and pretty soon, degrees will come with their own set of trailing hash-tags:

"#Hashtag" with Jimmy Fallon & Justin Timberlake:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=57dzaMaouXA

(BTW, don't let the title fool you -- watch it, trust me. ;) )

Wow that was a really long post just to say "I don't get it." If you don't dig it don't go to the website or use their instructional materials. That simple. Personally I've taken the tests and done the drills and think they've been good for my game.

Agreed. Different folks are approaching the idea of "spreading the gospel of pool" in many different ways:

1. Some do it via kitschy movies -- e.g. "Rack Starz", "9-ball, the movie", etc.

2. Some via donating their time to local charities -- see Marcus Norwood's (forcefollow's) excellent efforts for St. Jude Hospital fund and his pool school for kids

3. Some do it via online information storehouses -- see Dr. Dave's "pool information DeathStar" at billiards.colostate.edu.

4. And, although I don't agree with his approach, but is definitely worth mentioning (because he IS doing and trying stuff), is Paul Schofield's "No Conflict" rules and approach to opening up pool to the masses in his room "Gold Crown Billiards" in Erie, PA.

Just because you may not like a particular approach doesn't mean it should be wiped off the map.

-Sean <-- hashtag big picture, hashtag levelheadedness prevails, hashtag "We... are... fam... ilee..." :p
 

Joe_Jaguar

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I'm a bit confused. I wish someone would help me out. What is Billiard University? Can I see it or touch it or taste it in some way? Is there any other way I can perceive what it could possibly be? Can someone describe this entity to me In a way where I could have just a fasmile of recognition of it's existence?

Maybe it's me but I just can't seem to get a grasp of this concept of a Billiard University. I've visited www.billiarduniversity.org and it still doesn't help. There's only 5 things you can do over there. 1) You can learn about an instructional weekend that's going to be held in July of 2014 by 3 instructors from ( billiard university?). They call it (billiard university?) boot camp. It's 17 hours of instruction over a 3 day weekend. Tuition is $850. Most universities provide more than 17 hours of instruction a year. I'm stll confused.

2) You can purchase up to 5 instructional videos from instructors at (billiard university?) Well...that's an online store. It's not a university. Accuu Stats doesn't call itself a university. At least I don't think it does. I'm remaining confused!

3) You can access just about everything Dr. Dave has published for free about pool. I've benefitted some by reading Dr.Dave and when he sits down at his typewriter he sure does bring an energy and drive with him that produces a startlingly large amount of information and explanations; nevertheless, Dave strikes me as a humble guy and he certainly wouldn't be the type of guy who would think to himself, "Inside my mind there exists a university! .........confusion reigns!

4) Well; then there's the test. There's all kinds of info about the test. There's an under view, an overview, a middleview. Basically, by far, most of the subject matter at the site is about the test and after all the preview matter is read, instruction is given on how to actually take the test....A test is not a university. They don't call the PAT a university. They all it the pool assessment test....I just can't shake this confusion!

While still on the subject of the test...They now start talking about how results from the test could make a taker eligible to apply for a diploma from (Billiard University??) Depending on the score one could obtain a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a masters degree with honors, or a doctorate. From the low score needed to obtain a bachelors degree it looks like the only person who woudn't qualify would be someone with casts on both arms who has to shoot holding the cue between his toes!

So now, they start talking about the cost of a diploma from (Billiard University???)
You have to send in a tape of yourself to Randy. He's the Registraar of (Billiard University????) Randy officially confirms the score.

If a tester qualifies for a (Billiard University?????) diploma, there are 3 options. The recipient can choose to pay $200 and have a diploma with fancy ass paper sent to them, they can pay $175 and have it maid to them in a PDF file which can then be copied, or they can choose to have no diploma, but have their degree accomplishment listed on the (Billiard University??????) site for $150.

Well; seems some folks have already obtained degrees and their names are listed: fifteen in all. 5 of them are (Billiard University???????) instructors. ( I'll get to that) It's logical to assume the other 10 members are family members of the instructors.

5) Ok; now to the faculty of (Billiard University????????). Dr. Dave Is the Dean. He's the founder of (Billiard University?????????) along with Randy the Registraar. There are 6 professors. I don't want to list all their names but they're some of the most well known instructors and writers in the pool industry.

Below them are the assistant professors of (Billiard University??????????) There's about 8 of them and a few big names there too. Below them on the totem pole are several contributing instructors.

The point of all this is; all of you can go over to the site and see for yourself what I just described. The reason I described detail by detail what I saw is to explain that no where over there did I ever pick up a clue as to what the hell (Billiard University????????????) is or where it is or how it exists as an entity in any way, shape, or form. OH YEAH! I FORGOT TO TELL YA! THERE'S A WHOLE BIG SECTION THAT EXPLAINS THAT THE PROFESSORS, THE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS, AND THE CONTRIBUTING PROFESSORS ALL GET TO SHARE IN THE PROFITS TAKEN IN FROM THE SALE OF DIPLOMAS!

So; as I said, I'm confused. I really can't understand why some of the biggest names among American pool instructors are trying to profit by selling diplomas costing $150 to $200 dollars from a university that doesn't exist. As I said before, maybe it's me. If Billiard University really exists, please help me find it; and please tell others too, because as of right now, I doubt there's a single person other than instructors, or family members and friends of instructors who have obtained a so-called diploma.

It must be a rude awakening when you think everyone else in the pool community other than yourselves is stupid and you're proved wrong!!!


BU is the uppity cousin to Herman University.
 

336Robin

Multiverse Operative
Gold Member
Silver Member
Spaz Out!!! Why dont ya?

Hisboyelroy,

Man, dude you have spazzed out to the nth degree.

I have briefly looked at Billiard University. I think its an awesome thing. I love pool and I would like a credential of some kind. I would like to teach students and since there aren't many students paying a ton of money a PBIA credential seems way out of line for me.

I would also like to obtain the holy grail of stellar cue ball control so I plan on taking the course when I retire and have time to finish it.

The fact that you pay $200 for the credential to belong the Billiard University Club means one thing to me.

It means you appreciate the efforts of the people who cared enough about the game to make a credential that is attainable financially by just about anyone. I personally don't want so spend the thousands to be a certified PBIA guy.

So there is a lot of good here if you know more about what is out there and available as a credential. Lighten up and enjoy. Pool is supposed to be fun.
 
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