2000 US Open- Sigel Vs Reyes

Thanks for the links, David. I search youtube on occasion for anything Reyes-related and hadn't stumbled across these yet.

OT: I like your new sig! I'll try to keep that in mind next time I play. It's such a pity that so little footage exists of Cisero. I have a lead on an old videotape showing Cisero in action that I'm trying to get converted to digital. I don't know what it contains yet. I'll post it up for all to see though when I get my hands on the digital version.
 
mosconiac said:
Thanks for the links, David. I search youtube on occasion for anything Reyes-related and hadn't stumbled across these yet.

OT: I like your new sig! I'll try to keep that in mind next time I play. It's such a pity that so little footage exists of Cisero. I have a lead on an old videotape showing Cisero in action that I'm trying to get converted to digital. I don't know what it contains yet. I'll post it up for all to see though when I get my hands on the digital version.

Your welcome - I actually found this on cuetable.com's video section, so thank Wei for posting it there.

I have the Murphy-Lassiter match from 1966, and I also have the Zuglan tape from Accu-Stats. The Zuglan tape doesn't have much of Cisero shooting - Mike ran a 109 and out on him - but there is a great safety battle in that match - well worth checking it out.
 
FYI to anyone that doesn't know - Rack 3 has that insane cross-side bank break shot that Efren pulled off.
 
md5key said:
FYI to anyone that doesn't know - Rack 3 has that insane cross-side bank break shot that Efren pulled off.

It took big balls to even attempt that shot - especially against Mike Sigel. If he would have missed - game over.
 
Just started watching rack 5. The break in that one has taught me something. I've been having trouble with sticking to the pile and not having a shot even if I break the pack out a little. In this shot he puts draw on the ball, but hits it hard enough so that the draw doesn't take until just before the cue ball hits the stack. The cue ball then has an angle as it goes into the stack and is able to clear it instead of stick to it.

Is this right Blackjack?
 
md5key said:
Just started watching rack 5. The break in that one has taught me something. I've been having trouble with sticking to the pile and not having a shot even if I break the pack out a little. In this shot he puts draw on the ball, but hits it hard enough so that the draw doesn't take until just before the cue ball hits the stack. The cue ball then has an angle as it goes into the stack and is able to clear it instead of stick to it.

Is this right Blackjack?

If you are talking about the break shot in the back of the stack, it looks as though he hit that with low right. The cue ball did not react the way he wanted to, and he ended up hitting the 10 on the left side. I believe Nick Varner comments about Efren wanting to make contact with the 5 on the left side.

I am no expert on physics, but I believe that the cue ball reacted that way because of his stroke speed. Like you pointed out, the cue ball didn't have enough room to fully take the english, so it contacted that 10, paused and then the spin takes over. He contacted that ball pretty good, but he made sure the cue ball was spinning PRIOR TO CONTACT to ensure he didn't get stuck.

Efren goes into the balls so beautifully - he plays every single game in a different dimension than most humans - its hard to say what he did or how he did it or why - that is why he is The Magician.

If you are getting stuck to the stack, then find out what you are doing wrong. Most of the time it is because you are contacting the gaps. Try to find the exact contact point on the target ball in the stack. I usually divide the ball into 3 parts - left, center, right. The cue ball will react different with follow, draw, and stun -and all variations of the same.

Many players try to drill the CB through the stack. Efren proves (several times in this match) how easy you can go into the balls to get a beautiful result. I love watching him play any game on a pool table - especially 14.1 and 1 pocket.
 
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I don't have sound so I couldn't hear the commentary. That is the shot I was commenting on though - thanks for the input!
 
I couldn't swear to it in all situations but I think you actually want a softer hit (within reason) if you want to make sure the draw has altered the path of the CB before hitting the stack. Pound it and the CB is moving straight along the tangent line even with full draw. You'd have to hit pretty soft to change the angle so that the CB is starting to come back at the moment of impact.

Which is something I may have to try, come to think of it, I've gotten hung up on the rack a lot when I try to draw out of there, whereas my force follow usually powers out.
 
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