2009 Los Angeles Open

jay helfert said:
Thank you Frank. Like I said I will need all the help I can get at the event. Probably a staff of 12-15 people will do it.
I love those pre tourney events also, but they can be a big headache and very time consuming to prepare for, especially with "celebrities" involved.

If I can raise enough money in advance I may throw something for the players the night before it starts. It will run from a Saturday to a Sunday, nine days total.

We will offer discounted tickets to leagues and league members if bought in bulk in advance. Team Captains could give one each to members of their team to be used on any day. Maybe a $20 ticket for $15. I can't make the discounts too big, because we depend on the gate.

Another thing I've done before is to distribute $5 OFF coupons to poolrooms and billiard supplies. They can be redeemed at the box office on certain days. I can also distribute these to league players.

Right now, my first priority is to come up with 50K, plus the money I'm putting up. After that I will seek out a location. It could possibly be held in a local casino if the details can be worked out. I want it in L.A.! That's where we can draw a crowd.



Thanks for your response.
I will try and do what I can to help with the Ticket sales. I know when Charlie brought the UPA here almost no league players knew it was here at all. There are probably 1000 league players in metro LA alone and they will attend and spend money if they are made aware. Most just are not into pool like the rest of us. They never hear about tournaments.

I am good for 50-100 tickets. I will gaurantee 50 right now. If some other SoCal guys will do the same then it would help.
 
Somebody could start another thread to take smaller investments-say $25, $50, $100 & be responsible for making sure they get paid if there is any return. $25 equals 1 share & so on, when it hits $2,000 bang another investor. It should be a respected member who would have the time. Just a thought for everone who would like to contribute, but doesn't have the $2,000.
 
Grady said:
That's a big chunk of time for me but I might come if I get an invitation. I hope you're not going to make it an invitational.

the title states---->2009 Los Angeles Open

so i believe if you show up and post entry fee you play.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks Joey for the advice. Most of this I pretty much know about already.
I do plan to start on a Saturday and end the following Sunday, nine days total. As far as gambling and making a line, it won't happen. This is L.A. baby. I don't want to have my tournament shut down. If spectators want to gamble among themselves, I have no problem with that.

I would like some large Tournament Sheets though. I need one for 64 players and two for 128, all Double Elimination. I'll enlist you to make them for me. OK?

And you can come and play too Joey. I did say there is a One Pocket division. :)

I'd be happy to do the tournament sheets for you. What would the official name of the tournament be?

I'll have to see how I do in the one pocket tournament in Gulfport, MS Nov 8-9. John Henderson is coming to town and if he decides to visit Buffalo Billiards, I'll find out pretty quick how I stand up to some of California's one pocket players. :yeah: Who knows, I might even get me a line on you. :D

JoeyA
 
There have been some events recently that had high entry fees and I believe it hurt the turnout. (Johnnyt thinks that there should be higher entry fees because sponsors are hard to come by)

The total if you want to play in all three events is $975. That is a lot of coins for an unstaked player. My question: Lets say that bank pool is the first tournament. Can a player just pay for his bank pool entry fee and if he/she cash, they can still enter the next tournament if their not full? Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
There have been some events recently that had high entry fees and I believe it hurt the turnout. (Johnnyt thinks that there should be higher entry fees because sponsors are hard to come by)

The total if you want to play in all three events is $975. That is a lot of coins for an unstaked player. My question: Lets say that bank pool is the first tournament. Can a player just pay for his bank pool entry fee and if he/she cash, they can still enter the next tournament if their not full? Johnnyt


Sure, why not. With three full fields, this tournament will generate over $150,000 in prize money. What I can do is let a player who is coming for all three events, pay an advance entry fee of $950 total, saving them $25. That's about all I can do on this one.

There are no associations to join or other hidden costs. Just the small reg. fees. My other choice would be to take the $10,000 in Bonus money and put it directly into the purses. Thus making the Bank Pool $15,000 Added and the One Pocket $20,000 Added. The Ten Ball will remain $25,000 Added. I just may do that. Thanks Johnny!
 
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jay helfert said:
Sure, why not. With three full fields, this tournament will generate over $150,000 in prize money. What I can do is let a player who is coming for all three events, pay an advance entry fee of $950 total, saving them $25. That's about all I can do on this one.

There are no associations to join or other hidden costs. Just the small reg. fees.

Sounds good to me. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Sounds good to me. Johnnyt

Please read my edited post and tell me what you think. This may be more of an inducement for the "specialists" who don't play all games.
 
jay helfert said:
Please read my edited post and tell me what you think. This may be more of an inducement for the "specialists" who don't play all games.

Yes, I like it, that should help big time I would think. Johnnyt
 
Sounds good Jay!

Just be careful not to have it at the same time as some other big tournament, so it will be a success I'm sure!



But hey one question, what is this "registration fee"? Is it something on top of the entry fee?

jay helfert said:
Registration fees - $5,000 to $7,000. It all depends on how many players we get in each event.
 
jay helfert said:
Please read my edited post and tell me what you think. This may be more of an inducement for the "specialists" who don't play all games.


I like that idea better than the bonus for the all around. Especially with Banks involved. Some of that games top guys might not want to enter all three.

Will players HAVE to stay onsite? Do you think you will have to give the venue a guarantee of room nights?

A nine night stay is a long stay for most players.
 
Marvel said:
Sounds good Jay!

Just be careful not to have it at the same time as some other big tournament, so it will be a success I'm sure!



But hey one question, what is this "registration fee"? Is it something on top of the entry fee?


The registration fee is added to each entry. It is $25 per event. Pretty standard in the industry today to help defray costs.
 
frankncali said:
I like that idea better than the bonus for the all around. Especially with Banks involved. Some of that games top guys might not want to enter all three.

Will players HAVE to stay onsite? Do you think you will have to give the venue a guarantee of room nights?

A nine night stay is a long stay for most players.

The players will not have to stay at the host hotel, but I will strive to get them competitive rates. I'm sure that I will have to guarantee a certain number of room nights to get the ballroom for free. That's also standard when dealing with large hotels.
 
jay helfert said:
We are not in a position to pay $40,000+ in production costs to get on ESPN. If they (or any other network) wants to shoot this event, they will be paying us!

The purpose of DVD sales is not to attract sponsors, although it won't hurt either. The purpose is to create additional revenue. Did I say capitalism somewhere before? I want to create revenue streams, not additional expenses.

I kind of want to bill this as,

THE LOS ANGELES OPEN
& All Around Pocket Billiards Championship
Two questions Jay. Would investors get any break on room rates, and why not THE LOS ANGELES OPEN & ALL AROUND POCKET BILLIARDS"WORLD" CHAMPIONSHIP? lol:smilewinkgrin: My son and I may be interested, the only drawback for us is the distance and time involved.:(
 
DoubleA said:
Two questions Jay. Would investors get any break on room rates, and why not THE LOS ANGELES OPEN & ALL AROUND POCKET BILLIARDS"WORLD" CHAMPIONSHIP? lol:smilewinkgrin: My son and I may be interested, the only drawback for us is the distance and time involved.:(

I like that name as well. I should be able to get a better room rate for players and investors. That may be slightly lower than the rate for regular visitors.
 
jay helfert said:
The registration fee is added to each entry. It is $25 per event.

I don't understand what the difference between the registration fee and the entry fee. No-one is joining anything. Why not just increase the entry fee by $25? Otherwise make it so you only pay the $25 once no matter how many events you enter, which works out to a $50 discount if you enter all three.

Until I know the dates I have no idea if I can volunteer to help out at the event, but I should be able to help you out with graphics, DTP and a website. Send me a PM if you want to get together and discuss this in detail. (I'm in south OC.) You can also put me down as 1/2 an investor. ($1,000)

BTW Does anyone have any idea what the UPA event schedule is? Will they have an LA tournament in January again? I've looked at their website and the "Tour Schedule" link does not seem to work.
 
BTW I think it goes without saying we'll all be expecting a great AZB room put aside for us at this event with hot and cold running Jeanette Lee's ;-)
 
I'll take a guess

AuntyDan said:
I don't understand what the difference between the registration fee and the entry fee. No-one is joining anything. Why not just increase the entry fee by $25? Otherwise make it so you only pay the $25 once no matter how many events you enter, which works out to a $50 discount if you enter all three.

Until I know the dates I have no idea if I can volunteer to help out at the event, but I should be able to help you out with graphics, DTP and a website. Send me a PM if you want to get together and discuss this in detail. (I'm in south OC.) You can also put me down as 1/2 an investor. ($1,000)

BTW Does anyone have any idea what the UPA event schedule is? Will they have an LA tournament in January again? I've looked at their website and the "Tour Schedule" link does not seem to work.

All entry fee money needs to go to the prize fund. The $25 goes to provide the wonderful tables and lights and everything else that the players get to enjoy.

Makes sense to me to keep that separate.

MM
 
AuntyDan said:
I don't understand what the difference between the registration fee and the entry fee. No-one is joining anything. Why not just increase the entry fee by $25? Otherwise make it so you only pay the $25 once no matter how many events you enter, which works out to a $50 discount if you enter all three.

Until I know the dates I have no idea if I can volunteer to help out at the event, but I should be able to help you out with graphics, DTP and a website. Send me a PM if you want to get together and discuss this in detail. (I'm in south OC.) You can also put me down as 1/2 an investor. ($1,000)

BTW Does anyone have any idea what the UPA event schedule is? Will they have an LA tournament in January again? I've looked at their website and the "Tour Schedule" link does not seem to work.

The way it works is this. On the $225 entry fee for the Bank Pool, $200 goes into the purse and $25 is the registration fee. Once again a pretty standard fee on most pro tournaments. In fact, many take out far more in comparison.
 
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