2014 World 9-Ball Championship

Celtic said:
if you cannot look at the field and format for this event and see the vast difference between it and the Predator event you might as well stop following this sport as you are clearly not getting it.
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back to the old format discussion, huh? Well, ok, the format of alternating break, nine ball slop rules, etc puts a disadvantage to the superior player. This has been discussed here before. So when shane wins a ten ball challenge on a ten foot table against a field of world pros, he is the superior player. A world beater.

The mentality of only a world champion can win a tournament called world whatever is silly. the NBA considers the best team a world champion, even though no other countries are competing. But the best players in the world are there.

So the argument should be on a golf level. Put it terms of majors. How many majors has shane won? A lot more that Huji See. So he is a world champion.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
back to the old format discussion, huh? Well, ok, the format of alternating break, nine ball slop rules, etc puts a disadvantage to the superior player. This has been discussed here before. So when shane wins a ten ball challenge on a ten foot table against a field of world pros, he is the superior player. A world beater.

The mentality of only a world champion can win a tournament called world whatever is silly. the NBA considers the best team a world champion, even though no other countries are competing. But the best players in the world are there.

So the argument should be on a golf level. Put it terms of majors. How many majors has shane won? A lot more that Huji See. So he is a world champion.
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No, just no. And the format in this tournament favors no player. Each player will have to play to his best ability in each and every game if he wants to win. True world class skill is what wins here.

BTW, the Bigfoot challenge is not a good example, because it was strictly invitational.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
back to the old format discussion, huh? Well, ok, the format of alternating break, nine ball slop rules, etc puts a disadvantage to the superior player. This has been discussed here before. So when shane wins a ten ball challenge on a ten foot table against a field of world pros, he is the superior player. A world beater.

The mentality of only a world champion can win a tournament called world whatever is silly. the NBA considers the best team a world champion, even though no other countries are competing. But the best players in the world are there.

So the argument should be on a golf level. Put it terms of majors. How many majors has shane won? A lot more that Huji See. So he is a world champion.
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Wrong ,,,, In golf which is a world wide sport your measured by majors ,, Many call the TPC the 5th major ,, sorry but winning it does not count as major ,, just like winning the us open , the big foot or any of CSI events does not count as a world championship tittle
Period ,,,,,,

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BRussell said:
If both Shane and Nick Economopoulos win their first matches tomorrow, they play each other next. I bet that 50-21 loss in Greece will weigh heavily on Nick. ;)
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Wasn't too long ago when the shane naysayers were crowing about how shane wont go to greece and play nick. I didnt know he did. And the outcome was that lop sided. World champions will do that.
 
one stroke said:
Wrong ,,,, I golf which is a world wide sport your measured by majors ,, Many call the TPC the 5th major ,, sorry but winning it does not count as major ,, just like winning the us open , the big foot or any of CSI events does not count as a world championship tittle
Period ,,,,,,

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Shane has us opens. He has a mosconi cup victory. Derby city 9 ball. All equivallent to golf majors. So if a golfer wins us open, masters, players championship, but not the british open he ISNT a world champion?
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Wasn't too long ago when the shane naysayers were crowing about how shane wont go to greece and play nick. I didnt know he did. And the outcome was that lop sided. World champions will do that.
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Who are all these people who think Shane is not a great player that you keep mentioning?
 
Celtic said:
Who are all these people who think Shane is not a great player that you keep mentioning?
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Big thread on that during china open. No one says he isn't great player. Its how he is not world champion calibre because he only wins in america. Its all silly. It belongs in the payton manning is worse than his brother because he only has one ring discussions. Absurd.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Wasn't too long ago when the shane naysayers were crowing about how shane wont go to greece and play nick. I didnt know he did. And the outcome was that lop sided. World champions will do that.
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How many people were saying that? It can't be more than a few. He may be the best or close to it, but he has yet to earn the title of World Champion. Would he gamble with the winners of those tournaments afterwards? Oh, ya, you betcha.

Cardigan Kid said:
Shane has us opens. He has a mosconi cup victory. Derby city 9 ball. All equivallent to golf majors. So if a golfer wins us open, masters, players championship, but not the british open he ISNT a world champion?
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Meh. Not really. Too expensive to travel here for what we pay out. Hell, you think somebody wants to travel from China to MAYBE, eventually get paid for the US Open? Not gonna happen. Derby? Good field, but mostly packed with top American players.

It's not the same, no matter how many ways you put it. World Champion implies that you've won such a title. Nobody says, "World Champion Bubba Watson". That's because they don't have a World Championship title.

If you want to get down to it, Shane's had his chances to compete for those titles and he failed to bring his game. Reggie Miller may have been a world class shooter, but he wasn't a World Champion. Shane still has plenty of time to take whatever titles he wants.

Edit: You go on to say that he's "world champion caliber" - that doesn't make him a world champion any more than saying Peyton has more rings because he's better than Eli.
 
It's amazing when people want something to be a certain way no matter they don't have a leg to stand on, will try to argue the point.

If you haven't won a World Championship you're not a World Champion.
That doesn't mean the person isn't a Champion player.

Shane himself says he hasn't won a World Championship.
 
This tournament has the toughest field I've seen. No single player is a huge favorite. They all run the balls well, tables are breaking well, safety play is amazing....it will come down to nerves, shoot vs playing safe...and the ugly luck factor(we all hate that one)...poor Jason Shaw as an example. Oh ya...since Earl isn't there I'm hoping for Shane to go all the way..he overcame some nerves today. And yes he got both lucky and unlucky during the match today.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Shane has us opens. He has a mosconi cup victory. Derby city 9 ball. All equivallent to golf majors. So if a golfer wins us open, masters, players championship, but not the british open he ISNT a world champion?
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Your obviously missing the point,,, the majors are as high as you can go in golf ,
World Championships are as high as you can go in pool


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Celtic said:
if you cannot look at the field and format for this event and see the vast difference between it and the Predator event you might as well stop following this sport as you are clearly not getting it.
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no, YOU are clearly not getting it. This was the ONLY 10-Ball World Championship in 2007. There wasn't a WPA 10-Ball world Championship, this was THE World Championship for that year. Biggest 10-Ball tourney on the planet. And where did I say that the field that year was as good as the one this year? Oh, that's right I didn't.
 
corvette1340 said:
no, YOU are clearly not getting it. This was the ONLY 10-Ball World Championship in 2007. There wasn't a WPA 10-Ball world Championship, this was THE World Championship for that year. Biggest 10-Ball tourney on the planet. And where did I say that the field that year was as good as the one this year? Oh, that's right I didn't.
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It's either a Word Championship or it's not, it's not sorry.
 
mmktierney said:
This tournament has the toughest field I've seen. No single player is a huge favorite. They all run the balls well, tables are breaking well, safety play is amazing....it will come down to nerves, shoot vs playing safe...and the ugly luck factor(we all hate that one)...poor Jason Shaw as an example. Oh ya...since Earl isn't there I'm hoping for Shane to go all the way..he overcame some nerves today. And yes he got both lucky and unlucky during the match today.
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no player is a huge favorite because it's short races and alternate break, lol. Stretch it out and see how many different champions we'd see over a 10-15 year span.
 
Tournaments are short races, anyone who doesn't feel capable of winning
should stay home and practice, until they do.
 
Efren never won a 9-ball world championship guys. He won a matchroom event dubbed the "World Professional Pool Championship". So he clearly does not have a world 9-ball title.
 
corvette1340 said:
So who was the world champion for 1999?
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Exactly. There never was a world champion until the world tournament was created right? It's what I was talking about when I described this argument as silly. And how they gloss over the US open or Derby city like it's a small tour stop. Absurd. A major is a major. Plain and simple.


Was buddy hall a world champion? Oh yeah, he never won in China, so I guess not. Ha!
 
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