2015 China Open 9ball (2-5 July2015) Shanghai

[Jaden]

I'm sorry but that's a REALLY naive statement...

Bad rolls and unlucky breaks aside, overall Ouschan played a more confident game. He deserved to come out on top.



A champion is one who can adapt and rise above all given the same set of conditions.

If you can't operate within the circumstances that everyone else in the world is working with, then you'll not be a "world" champion. You could setup the tightest table in your home room and be your own "home room champion".

It reminds me of Earl's complain about large pockets. Shane needs to stop whining and just go do it.



Ga Young Kim will win. She's just stronger than Fu overall. In recent years, I don't think any girl can beat Ga Young in a 10-ball race to 100.

That's got to be one of the most naive statement's I've heard in a while.

If you have easier conditions, it's not the person that best adapts to the circumstances that wins, it's the person that plays best under those circumstances.

In pool, easing up the conditions just means that players that would have no chance under tougher conditions have a greater chance under the easier conditions.

You may adapt to the conditions just fine but it still is a coin flip because there's no discernible difference between the player's on those conditions.

In modern pro pool the only way to create a discernible difference is to have tougher playing conditions.

Personally, I don't mind alternating break, but I prefer the tightest conditions possible.

Jaden

 

[one stroke]

Did Shane say something to you face to face that hurt you or disrespected you? Are you mad because you bet money on him and lost?

Has he ever said anything about pattern racking? Have you ever sat and talked to him personally about the rack, rules, etc?

he deserves to have an opinion as he plays at a high level, and has worked hard to get there. In other words his opinion carries more weight than yours




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Now unless you live in a cave you know Shane's been acussed of patern racking and manipulating the rack ,and when anyone says anything about it ,, the response is its all sour grapes
This may be a shock to you but the WPA could care less what Shane thinks and yes his displeasure was posted here earlier
When sore losers comments come to a public forum thier open game ,, sorry for your displeasure in that
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[robsnotes4u]

Now unless you live in a cave you know Shane's been acussed of patern racking and manipulating the rack ,and when anyone says anything about it ,, the response is its all sour grapes

This may be a shock to you but the WPA could care less what Shane thinks and yes his displeasure was posted here earlier

When sore losers comments come to a public forum thier open game ,, sorry for your displeasure in that

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The WPA isn't the one writing about it, you are. It is nice you put so much weight on their excuse for people's losses to Shane, and none on his about the equipment. Mika basically said the same thing about the equipment.

You can keep trying to add power to their excuses, and it will not lessen his ability to the play the game at the highest level




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[one stroke]

The WPA isn't the one writing about it, you are. It is nice you put so much weight on their excuse for people's losses to Shane, and none on his about the equipment. Mika basically said the same thing about the equipment.

You can keep trying to add power to their excuses, and it will not lessen his ability to the play the game at the highest level




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Hold the phone Mika complaining shocking

You obviously are having trouble following the bouncing ball .. Shane's comments were the ones posted first he's the one who has a problem with it obviously because he's yet to win one tight tables or buckets ,,

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[robsnotes4u]

Hold the phone Mika complaining shocking



You obviously are having trouble following the bouncing ball .. Shane's comments were the ones posted first he's the one who has a problem with it obviously because he's yet to win one tight tables or buckets ,,



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Winning a World Championship, makes you the best only in that tournament and that day, no more or no less.

Why don't you sit back and enjoy the players, their skills, and the game instead of bashing them?

I hope you are the kind of person that would walk up to Shane and say what you write when you see him, and don't ask for his autograph.





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[arps]

He might, but he needs to stop blaming his poor performances on stuff and realize that he is losing because the other guy is shooting better that day, period. The last thing he needs is these excuses on why he lost and "yes men" enabling this type of attitude.

SVB is never going to win over there if he keeps going over there, gets flustered and finds reasons to lose; and he is never going to win over there if he has people always giving him the pat on the back and telling him "it is ok, you are still the best, they cannot beat you in a race to 100! Just win another US Open, it is OK."

If he wants to be the champion he likely wants to be he is going to need to shake all of the monkey's on his back off, get over there, and start dominating these things like he does the US Open.

very good post.

 

[NervousNovice]

That's got to be one of the most naive statement's I've heard in a while.

If you have easier conditions, it's not the person that best adapts to the circumstances that wins, it's the person that plays best under those circumstances.

Regardless of the conditions, if you win, then by definition you have "played best" given the same conditions, and you must have adapted too. This is exactly what i said: A champion is one who can adapt and rise above all given the same set of conditions.

In pool, easing up the conditions just means that players that would have no chance under tougher conditions have a greater chance under the easier conditions.

You may adapt to the conditions just fine but it still is a coin flip because there's no discernible difference between the player's on those conditions.

In modern pro pool the only way to create a discernible difference is to have tougher playing conditions.

All three statements are true. But they don't contradict what I've said. What I said was, you could setup the toughest table so no one can beat you on your table to prove that you're better. But in order to be a "world champion", then by definition you need to win a world class championship, and if it means to play on an easier table and win there, then you go do it.

Personally, I don't mind alternating break, but I prefer the tightest conditions possible.

Jaden

Russian billiard pockets?

Winning a World Championship, makes you the best only in that tournament and that day, no more or no less.

Why don't you sit back and enjoy the players, their skills, and the game instead of bashing them?

I hope you are the kind of person that would walk up to Shane and say what you write when you see him, and don't ask for his autograph.

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The level of play has improved over the years to a point that it's just impossible to tell who's better in a race that lasts for a day. The differences among the top pro's are just too small.

 

[Ak147]

Agree with NevousNovice. I don't think Shane came out at top Chinese 8 ball events which is played on tighter pockets. He has to consistently finish top 8 outside US to beome great. I don't see any reasons why he can't perhaps just need to spend more time outside US to get use to conditions/food etc in this part of world. Darren Appelton said he spent significant time in phillipines playing money games in which made him tougher player.

 

[gxman]

Talent outside the U.S is just too great. It takes everything going right to win one of these international tournaments, especially with the final 32 being single elimination.

Phillipine, Europe, China/Taipei each easily having 5 players that plays at or near the same level as Shane where every race to 11 can go either way.





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[Nostroke]

Agree with NevousNovice. I don't think Shane came out at top Chinese 8 ball events which is played on tighter pockets. He has to consistently finish top 8 outside US to beome great. I don't see any reasons why he can't perhaps just need to spend more time outside US to get use to conditions/food etc in this part of world. Darren Appelton said he spent significant time in phillipines playing money games in which made him tougher player.

SVB gambled there a few times. He should probably go back. They usually dont play for that much either. There is a match on youtube where Bustamante gets the 8 and loses a race to 21 to

Baseth Mocaibat

Who has heard of him?. Anyway plenty of even action for SVB in the PI it appears

 

[Nostroke]

Talent outside the U.S is just too great. It takes everything going right to win one of these international tournaments, especially with the final 32 being single elimination.

Phillipine, Europe, China/Taipei each easily having 5 players that plays at or near the same level as Shane where every race to 11 can go either way..

Everything has gone right for Mika, Daz, Hohman, WU all of whom have won multiple WPCs. Probably another guy or 2 im forgetting.

PS-I guess we have to take Albin for real now-2nd in the WPC and now this-cant be 2 flukes!

 

[jay helfert]

SVB gambled there a few times. He should probably go back. They usually dont play for that much either. There is a match on youtube where Bustamante gets the 8 and loses a race to 21 to

Baseth Mocaibat

Who has heard of him?. Anyway plenty of even action for SVB in the PI it appears

I've heard of him, even though his name is misspelled here. He is one of many second tier players who are probably as good or better than anyone in this country not named Shane. Correction - as good or better at Rotation games or Eight Ball. This would not be the case at One Pocket, Banks or Straight Pool. All the top Filipinos who have done well at these games had to learn them AFTER they came to the USA!

By the way, Shane has played extensively in the Philippines with top players and done rather well overall. On his last trip there he won seven consecutive money games (not for small stakes either). The second tier guys want nothing to do with him without weight (games on the wire is what they ask for).

I do agree that unlike in the USA, there are quite a few Asian players who are the equal to Shane. He is definitely not the dominant force over there that he is here. On the world stage he is a contender and that's about it. He is a respected world class player, nothing more, nothing less. Sad to say the rest of the top American players are not so highly regarded on the world stage. None of them have made a dent in years.

 

[Keith Jawahir]

I don't really keep up with the international tournaments other than to see how Shane's doing, how often do the other American pros cross the pond to compete?

 

[gxman]

I don't really keep up with the international tournaments other than to see how Shane's doing, how often do the other American pros cross the pond to compete?

Maybe 3 Americans at best in an international tournament. Shane and Rodney Morris are the most well traveled. I'm not even sure Mike Dechaine even owns a passport. I've seen Hunter Lombardo's name a few times. Mika, Darren Appleton, and Warrem Kiamco primary residency is the U.S and they are at nearly every international tournament. Jayson Shaw lives in the U.S, but does not seem to travel internationally.

 

[Nostroke]

I've heard of him, even though his name is misspelled here. He is one of many second tier players who are probably as good or better than anyone in this country not named Shane. .

So Busti is THIRD tier over there now?

His name is spelled that way in about 8 Youtube matches-That's where i copied it from. How is it correctly spelled?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Baseth+Mocaibat+


"as good or better than anyone not named Shane'"

so then you think SVB should/would give Busti the 8 in ten ball?

 

[jay helfert]

So Busti is THIRD tier over there now?

His name is spelled that way in about 8 Youtube matches-That's where i copied it from. How is it correctly spelled?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Baseth+Mocaibat+


"as good or better than anyone not named Shane'"

so then you think SVB should/would give Busti the 8 in ten ball?

Sorry, it's me that had seen another spelling (Baseth Mapandi). Sometimes these guys use different names for awhile, kind of like American hustlers used to do. A second tier player over there is still a great player. Only a handful of guys are considered first tier and if you want to be first tier you have to consistently beat those guys, not just once or twice. By the way Busti beat him the next time they played and Dennis robbed him giving up games on the wire! Usually it's the tier one players who are traveling to play these young up and comers. That's the only way they stay in action, going on the road. Sound familiar?

Tier One - Dennis, Lee Vann, Francisco, Carlo, Alex. Maybe Jeff DeLuna, Efren, Ronnie Alcano. They move up and down over there.

 

[Nostroke]

Sorry, it's me that had seen another spelling. Sometimes these guys use different names for awhile, kind of like American hustlers used to do. A second tier player over there is still a great player. Only a handful of guys are considered first tier and if you want to be first tier you have to consistently beat those guys, not just once or twice. By the way Busti beat him the next time they played. Usually it's the tier one players who are traveling to play these young up and comers. That's the only way they stay in action, going on the road. Sound familiar?

Tier One - Dennis, Lee Vann, Francisco, Carlo, Alex. Maybe Jeff DeLuna, Efren, Ronnie Alcano. They move up and down over there.

I understand- we didnt know whether it was Orcullo or Orcollo over here for 6 years or so. Thanks for the info.

 

[jay helfert]

I understand- we didnt know whether it was Orcullo or Orcollo over here for 6 years or so. Thanks for the info.

The correct spelling of Dennis' last name is Orcullo but it was misspelled on his passport (Orcollo) and it was too much hassle to change so he used that spelling over here.

 

[westcoast]

Sorry, it's me that had seen another spelling (Baseth Mapandi). Sometimes these guys use different names for awhile, kind of like American hustlers used to do. A second tier player over there is still a great player. Only a handful of guys are considered first tier and if you want to be first tier you have to consistently beat those guys, not just once or twice. By the way Busti beat him the next time they played and Dennis robbed him giving up games on the wire! Usually it's the tier one players who are traveling to play these young up and comers. That's the only way they stay in action, going on the road. Sound familiar?

Tier One - Dennis, Lee Vann, Francisco, Carlo, Alex. Maybe Jeff DeLuna, Efren, Ronnie Alcano. They move up and down over there.

Is Ignacio from the Philippines?

 

[westcoast]

Maybe 3 Americans at best in an international tournament. Shane and Rodney Morris are the most well traveled. I'm not even sure Mike Dechaine even owns a passport. I've seen Hunter Lombardo's name a few times. Mika, Darren Appleton, and Warrem Kiamco primary residency is the U.S and they are at nearly every international tournament. Jayson Shaw lives in the U.S, but does not seem to travel internationally.

Is it just not worth the $ to travel over to these tournaments for guys like Archer, Deuel, Dechaine, and Strickland? Of course Archer and Earl are past their primes, but all of these guys could conceivably do some real damage in any tournament.