2015 World Chinese 8 Ball Masters field looks amazing

[one stroke]

Sad really. I like Chinese 8-ball "alot" as a game and think it could have huge potential, but i completely agree that the presentation is simply a fail for the event.

It boggles my mind that over and over we get these events that add huge money, they pay Stephen Hendry hge money to promote the game, and the promoters blow it by not paying some bilingual person who speaks and writes Chinese AND English $25 an hour to update the website for the fans watching the event from where almost half of the players are actually from.

I mean cripe, Alex, Earl, Boyes, Hendry, Appleton, Melling, ect... what is the freaking point putting all the effort into getting these English speaking players from English speaking countries with English speaking fans into the event and then having NO way for English speaking fans to even follow the event? Is this "really" this freaking hard to figure out? Is this akin to rocket science for pool promoters to think of these types of seemingly simple things? I am starting to think so...

The lack of interest in this game will be pinned on the game by many people here, but the reality is the presentation of the event is failing the game bigtime!

I highly doubt they care about the viewers outside China

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[victorl]

Ok guys, it looks like the top four players from each group were placed in to 2 seperate brackets and it looks like they are double elimination.

Not exactly sure what the format is from here, but I translated them into English so you can at least see who's still in it.

 

[spartan]

Ok guys, it looks like the top four players from each group were placed in to 2 seperate brackets and it looks like they are double elimination.

Not exactly sure what the format is from here, but I translated them into English so you can at least see who's still in it.

Great stuff good work.
The top 8 in the first bracket are the top 2 from each of the 4 groups. They are the ones who matter and are the ones fighting to win the tourney

The other 8 (3rd and 4th from each of the 4 groups) in lower bracket are just rehearsing/practising for the bigger touney end of month (which pays about double 100K for winner). Actually these other 8 are playing for positions 9th to 16th. They are actually out and have no chance to win the tourney

 

[sjm]

Ok guys, it looks like the top four players from each group were placed in to 2 seperate brackets and it looks like they are double elimination.

Not exactly sure what the format is from here, but I translated them into English so you can at least see who's still in it.

Thank you for this.

 

[AtLarge]

Ok guys, it looks like the top four players from each group were placed in to 2 seperate brackets and it looks like they are double elimination.

Not exactly sure what the format is from here, but I translated them into English so you can at least see who's still in it.

From what I can tell from the list of match results, the positions coming out of the group stage were:

1's -- Orcollo, Li Hui, Melling, Potts
2's -- Wang Peng, Shi, Yang, Zheng
3's -- Appleton, Boyes, Yu, Wang Yun
4's -- Souquet, Jing, Pagulayan, Liu

The two brackets posted above by victorl show all the 1's and 2's in the top bracket and all the 3's and 4's in the bottom bracket.

Question 1 -- What happened to Appleton? Li Bo is playing from his group instead of Appleton, and it seems to me that Appleton had the better record. Did Appleton drop out and get replaced by the #5 finisher (Li Bo) from his group?

Question 2 -- Is it only the 1's and 2's that are playing to win the event now, and the bottom bracket is just to determine money positions 9 through 16?

Question 3 -- What are the boxes on the brackets between the winners and losers of the first-round matches in each bracket?

Question 4 -- What is the streaming schedule for the rest of the event?

Edit: From what JayKidd said in post #160, it would seem that the answer to my Question 2 is yes, which would mean we are down to 3 Chinese plus Potts for the title.

 

[victorl]

Question 1 -- What happened to Appleton? Li Bo is playing from his group instead of Appleton, and it seems to me that Appleton had the better record. Did Appleton drop out and get replaced by the #5 finisher (Li Bo) from his group?

Question 2 -- Is it only the 1's and 2's that are playing to win the event now, and the bottom bracket is just to determine money positions 9 through 16?

Question 3 -- What are the boxes on the brackets between the winners and losers of the first-round matches in each bracket?

Question 4 -- What is the streaming schedule for the rest of the event?

Good questions.
You are probably right, the brackets are actually single elimination, so you must win to advance, but losing players still have to play to determine their finishing positions.
I suppose those extra boxes on the bracket are just for losing players to play each other to determine their placing in the tournament.

 

[spartan]

From what I can tell from the list of match results, the positions coming out of the group stage were:

1's -- Orcollo, Li Hui, Melling, Potts
2's -- Wang Peng, Shi, Yang, Zheng
3's -- Appleton, Boyes, Yu, Wang Yun
4's -- Souquet, Jing, Pagulayan, Liu

The two brackets posted above by victorl show all the 1's and 2's in the top bracket and all the 3's and 4's in the bottom bracket.

Question 1 -- What happened to Appleton? Li Bo is playing from his group instead of Appleton, and it seems to me that Appleton had the better record. Did Appleton drop out and get replaced by the #5 finisher (Li Bo) from his group?

Question 2 -- Is it only the 1's and 2's that are playing to win the event now, and the bottom bracket is just to determine money positions 9 through 16?

Question 3 -- What are the boxes on the brackets between the winners and losers of the first-round matches in each bracket?

Question 4 -- What is the streaming schedule for the rest of the event?

Edit: From what JayKidd said in post #160, it would seem that the answer to my Question 2 is yes, which would mean we are down to 3 Chinese plus Potts for the title.

Good question about Appleton. He has better result than Li Bo. Maybe something cropped up
According to this stream link http://www.wasu.cn/zhuanti/zs8q/index.html
1st match of day is 1030am local time (930 pm) 1 hour from now and after next match 330pm . Final is about 7 or 730pm
Likely they are streaming winner side Potts v Yang Fan as Potts is signed up by event sponsors Joy

 

[AtLarge]

Good question about Appleton. He has better result than Li Bo. Maybe something cropped up
According to this stream link http://www.wasu.cn/zhuanti/zs8q/index.html
1st match of day is 1030am local time (930 pm) 1 hour from now and after next match 330pm . Final is about 7 or 730pm
Likely they are streaming winner side Potts v Yang Fan as Potts is signed up by event sponsors Joy

Thank you, spartan. So if I hear you correctly, and using USA east-coast time, we'll have just 3 more matches streamed:

• 9:30 pm tonight (Wed.)
• 2:30 am Thurs. morning
• 6:00 am or 6:30 am Thurs. morning

 

[spartan]

Thank you, spartan. So if I hear you correctly, and using USA east-coast time, we'll have just 3 more matches streamed:

• 9:30 pm tonight (Wed.)
• 2:30 am Thurs. morning
• 6:00 am or 6:30 am Thurs. morning

Yes only 3 matches left
I am guessing Potts will 3peat this year- real strong still undefeated.
Other known players that have good shot are Meiling, Shi Hanqing though they are on 1 loss side. Dennis is on 1 loss side also but me thinks his chances are slimmer than Meiling and Hanqing but then knowing Dennis he does know how to find a way to win sometimes
But then there are so many unknown players in field and any one of them may upset Potts I am reminded of the recent MP Cup, so many unknown players who are monsters , killers

 

[AtLarge]

Yes only 3 matches left
I am guessing Potts will 3peat this year- real strong still undefeated.
Other known players that have good shot are Meiling, Shi Hanqing though they are on 1 loss side. Dennis is on 1 loss side also but me thinks his chances are slimmer than Meiling and Hanqing but then knowing Dennis he does know how to find a way to win sometimes
But then there are so many unknown players in field and any one of them may upset Potts I am reminded of the recent MP Cup, so many unknown players who are monsters , killers

Well, now I'm confused, again. I thought it was single-elimination now in terms of winning the event, and all the other matches were just for positioning (money). Melling, for example, already lost his first match after the group stage. Are you saying he can still win somehow? Is it double elimination?

 

[spartan]

Well, now I'm confused, again. I thought it was single-elimination now in terms of winning the event, and all the other matches were just for positioning (money). Melling, for example, already lost his first match after the group stage. Are you saying he can still win somehow?

Yes there is still the Final at 6am or 630am EST which if I assume correctly is between the winner of winner side v winner of loser side The next 2 matches are also matches to decide the finalists

 

[spartan]

Top 8 assured of at least 20K RMB about $3K not too shabby for few days work (in pool terms). It will be peanuts for Hendry but then he probably gets appearance money and other benefits - I am guessing he gets paid more than the winner. Interestingly in match v Earl, Hendry looked amused when Earl helped picked out balls out of pockets. cos it is unheard of un snooker for player to collect balls out of pockets- they are treated like royalty

The bigger one end of month 24thJan onwards I think will be even bigger bash.. double prizemoney $100K for winner. Since when has pool paid $100K for winner- last one I remembered was when Apple snapped up 1st W10B in Manila years ago. I think the field will be 48 with more big names like Archer


Prize money
Rank
Champion 300,000 RMB
Runner-up 100,000 RMB
3rd 50,000 RMB
4th 30,000 RMB
5th 26,000 RMB
6th 24,000 RMB
7th 22,000 RMB
8th 20,000 RMB
9th 18,000 RMB
10th 17,000 RMB
11st 16,000 RMB
12nd 15,000 RMB
13rd 14,000 RMB
14th 13,000 RMB
15th 12,000 RMB
16th 11,000 RMB

 

[AtLarge]

Yes there is still the Final at 6am or 630am EST which if I assume correctly is between the winner of winner side v winner of loser side The next 2 matches are also matches to decide the finalists

So if Potts loses to Yang Fan, where does Potts go on the flow chart? What are the boxes to which dotted lines are attached?

 

[victorl]

If Potts loses, he will go to the box marked 9L and will play the loser of Peng and Yubo (10L) to determine 3rd and 4th place.

 

[AtLarge]

If Potts loses, he will go to the box marked 9L and will play the loser of Peng and Yubo (10L) to determine 3rd and 4th place.

So, if I hear you, it is single elimination in terms of determining the event winner. Only 4 players can still do that. Melling cannot. Right?

 

[victorl]

I believe so.

Unlike normal pool tournaments the payouts aren't grouped by 9-16th, 5-8th, etc. so they have to play out all the matches until each individual place is determined, which is what's causing the confusion.

 

[spartan]

So, if I hear you, it is single elimination in terms of determining the event winner. Only 4 players can still do that. Melling cannot. Right?

You are right . Got this http://www.wasu.cn/zhuanti/zs8q/index.html translated and the match now between Potts v Yang Fan is semifinal . The match at 330pm local is 3rd 4th placing
So basically it is single elim - losers play for position not to win tourney
I was confused by the double elim brackets and extra matches LOL

 

[PoolBum]

IT'S ALL SO CONFUSING!!!!!

Sorry, just had to let that out.

 

[JayKidd]

Ah, thanks for the explanation. So only 8 players have a chance to win the event.

Edit -- then I looked at this and became a bit confused again: http://www.zs8q.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=127888. English brackets somewhere?

The website is a mess, they simply don't have the manpower to handle the event. Consider this, 8 sets of cameras are running, only 3 were manned, the other 5 are put on auto. Joy is simply over stretched, their press releases were rushed out with a lot typos in them.

 

[JayKidd]

From what I can tell from the list of match results, the positions coming out of the group stage were:

1's -- Orcollo, Li Hui, Melling, Potts
2's -- Wang Peng, Shi, Yang, Zheng
3's -- Appleton, Boyes, Yu, Wang Yun
4's -- Souquet, Jing, Pagulayan, Liu

The two brackets posted above by victorl show all the 1's and 2's in the top bracket and all the 3's and 4's in the bottom bracket.

Question 1 -- What happened to Appleton? Li Bo is playing from his group instead of Appleton, and it seems to me that Appleton had the better record. Did Appleton drop out and get replaced by the #5 finisher (Li Bo) from his group?

Question 2 -- Is it only the 1's and 2's that are playing to win the event now, and the bottom bracket is just to determine money positions 9 through 16?

Question 3 -- What are the boxes on the brackets between the winners and losers of the first-round matches in each bracket?

Question 4 -- What is the streaming schedule for the rest of the event?

Edit: From what JayKidd said in post #160, it would seem that the answer to my Question 2 is yes, which would mean we are down to 3 Chinese plus Potts for the title.

The rumor is that Appleton quit after the 1st stage, so Li Bo was promoted to the 4th place into the 2nd stage.

The people draw the bracket has little understanding of the conventions of this kind of diagrams, your confusion can be easily avoided by draw two separate brackets for 1-8 and 9-16 with the consolation rounds. such as this http://printyourbrackets.com/8-team-consolation-bracket.html