This might be the highest top 10 total ever, excluding the IPT. I wonder how it is inflation-adjusted.
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docgpmiller
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Unfortunately for our industry, one mediocre Quarterback makes more money than ALL TEN COMBINED! We need to do better.
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WobblyStroke
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Ye looks like the 'missed cut' payouts on PGA lol
I was going to make the exact same thread a couple days ago, only the IPT single year was higher. Pool is looking good!!!
Funny how the golf comparison is always made here on the forum. Yes, golfers make more than pool players. So what? Pro golfers play to millions of viewers most weeks of the year. When pool players are doing the same, they can expect similar compensation.
Pro golfers who don't finish in the Top 125 of the PGA money list lose their touring status, which ensures that live money continually replaces dead money, keeping the talent pool both elite and deep. Pool doesn't have a deep enough talent base to ensure that only the worthy get to play in the highest profile events.
For me, it's hard to find any similarity between pool and golf as professional sports. In pool, prize money is growing, and prize money growth will track the growth in the demand for the pro pool product, just as it should.
Pro golfers who don't finish in the Top 125 of the PGA money list lose their touring status, which ensures that live money continually replaces dead money, keeping the talent pool both elite and deep. Pool doesn't have a deep enough talent base to ensure that only the worthy get to play in the highest profile events.
For me, it's hard to find any similarity between pool and golf as professional sports. In pool, prize money is growing, and prize money growth will track the growth in the demand for the pro pool product, just as it should.
Top 10 looking good, but what about trying to make a living off pool for 'not-so-talented'?
Here's last players on AZB's list of 100 best (couldn't sort men and women, so they are mixed there, and for the good: one could see that strongest female players make about as much as 100th man).
Next I was going to compare that to very last players from top 100 of WTA (Women Tennis Association), but turned out these are beyond comparison. So instead I scrolled down that list to see where lies the threshold of same amount of money earned per 2023. And that is around 500-600th.
Well, there are 5 times more female tennis players who got more prize money than 100th player of the pool world.
Just like pool players, tennis players have to take care of their expenditures like airflights, fitness coaches, etc. Okay, they have to spend more than pool players, but you got the picture. If only pool could offer $15K per year to their 600th player...
Here's last players on AZB's list of 100 best (couldn't sort men and women, so they are mixed there, and for the good: one could see that strongest female players make about as much as 100th man).
Next I was going to compare that to very last players from top 100 of WTA (Women Tennis Association), but turned out these are beyond comparison. So instead I scrolled down that list to see where lies the threshold of same amount of money earned per 2023. And that is around 500-600th.
Well, there are 5 times more female tennis players who got more prize money than 100th player of the pool world.
Just like pool players, tennis players have to take care of their expenditures like airflights, fitness coaches, etc. Okay, they have to spend more than pool players, but you got the picture. If only pool could offer $15K per year to their 600th player...
Filler mad just about what my salary was --before bonuses-- the last year I was working.......
60-80,000 people will go to one football game. I doubt that the live attendees in ALL pro pool events in an entire year comes close to that.
How many pool jerseys and hats are sold ? How many luxury boxes are sold each pool tournament?
Different sports. Different revenue streams. Let’s compare pool to table tennis tournaments.
It’s not the players. No revenue streams. Matchroom puts on the biggest tournaments, yet they often get bashed. For what? Oh my goodness they changed the color of the five ball. They are ruining the sport. A purple five ball??
How many pool jerseys and hats are sold ? How many luxury boxes are sold each pool tournament?
Different sports. Different revenue streams. Let’s compare pool to table tennis tournaments.
It’s not the players. No revenue streams. Matchroom puts on the biggest tournaments, yet they often get bashed. For what? Oh my goodness they changed the color of the five ball. They are ruining the sport. A purple five ball??
We should be comparing pool to itself, not to other sports. Except for the fluke year of Kevin T and his IPT, this is the best year by far. I don't have access to the 2019 year, the last before C, but these numbers of the top 10 combined look to be about 3x what 2019 was from memory. It's super, super, super progress.
This is a sign of progress, twelve players are over 100K and six more between 90 and 100K! Most, if not all, these players are receiving sponsorship money. Anywhere from four figures up to six figures with the elite players. Yes, we have professional pool players actually earning a healthy six figure income. And that’s a good thing!
Sometimes competition is good, like what we are seeing between the WPA and Matchroom. They are both trying to out due each other. And the pro players ultimately benefit.
Pro pool has reached a level with pro bowling, beach volleyball and other niche sports. The only way to go from here is up!
exactly. i see the women mentioned above. i suspect even they are better off now, mainly thanks to predator.
Well thats not exactly accurate. There's noboby watching cornhole at the levels of Pool and they still get ESPN airtime, as does many other low skill games, so it cant just be about viewership. And there are more people playing Pool than golf so it cant be about participation...,
We need more compelling figures, more Earl's, more Keith's, more Fats's and mybe a good Pool Hall based movie.., anothe one.
Actually, this is not accurate. Cornhole didn't get onto ESPN because of its viewership numbers.
Cornhole is buying ESPN time and paying for its own TV productions. Pool could do the same, but most American pool event producers choose not to do so because the bang for the buck isn't there.
Using ESPN coverage as evidence of viewership doesn't make sense.
Well, not reasonable to compare the two jobs. Football has a hundred million+ viewers, huge TV contracts. Pool has a tiny group of people who care about it. I realize you already know this, just my 2 cents.
CanadianGuy
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mixed feelings, yes very nice to see those payouts, but holee fack at having to to play at world championship level to gross 100k, yet alone at one level down for essentially beer money
hopefully sponsorship's for some of these guys covers more than just expenses
I believe a few also receive monthly stipends from their National Federations like Filler
hopefully sponsorship's for some of these guys covers more than just expenses
I believe a few also receive monthly stipends from their National Federations like Filler
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Can anyone access the numbers from 2019 and paste them here? I could have sworn I could go back 10 years on the "money list archive". Now I only see 2023 and 2022.