$25 for a piece of chalk is ridiculous!

Rocket354

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That was my opinion until the "don't knock it until you've tried it" crowd convinced me to at least give Kamui chalk a shot, no pun intended. Feeling like a fool, I ordered a piece, which I just got in the mail a couple days ago.

The first thing I did is weigh it. I've been using Blue Diamond chalk (already feeling like a fool paying $2.50/cube). I weighed a handful of my unused Blue Diamond pieces and got an average of 17.4g (range of 16.6 - 18.1g). The Kamui chalk weighed in at 13.6g, so it's about 78% the weight of a typical piece of Blue Diamond chalk.

Therefore, by weight, Kamui is 12.8 times as expensive as Blue Diamond.
Knowing this and extremely skeptical, I went to shoot using my new chalk that is 35% more expensive than silver.

I shot alone. I used Blue Diamond for the first rack of 10-ball, which went as quickly as it normally does given I'm a B- player on a good day, a C+ player much more often. Comfortable and familiar with my cue and my chalk for comparison's sake, I then scuffed the chalk off my tip and applied, for the first time, the light-blue marvel from the small silver bag. People who compared this stuff to makeup weren't far off, but my impression was that this stuff was just a lot, well, chalkier than other chalk. It seems dense, and not nearly as dry, but still chalk.

I applied it to my freshly scuffed tip, covered every bit of brown, and immediately noticed the first big advantage Kamui chalk has over the competition: there's no dust falling down on my hands, my cue, my clothes, the table, into my drink, etc. This alone felt like it was worth some multiple of other chalks.

I'd read reports of people shooting 50, 60+ balls without having to rechalk, so I decided to do a test. I chalked thoroughly then started running racks. Ok, running racks is a bit generous given my playing ability, but I did limp through 5 full racks without so much as an issue. That's at least 50 shots, and given how I was shooting, probably closer to 100. Even at the end I was shooting draw shots confidently and without issue. In fact, I was getting more action on the cue ball despite 60+ shots since my last chalking than I do with a fresh Blue-Diamond-chalked tip (or, for that matter, master's).

That's the second big advantage this chalk has, is I feel it does help impart more spin, especially on draw shots. Someone who already has an expert stroke might not notice much of a difference (that's not something I would know) but I noticed that I had to work less hard to get action. In fact, I was taking so many shots to finish a rack of 10-ball in part because I was out of line so much because I was getting more action than I was used to given the same stroke, and tip placement on the cue ball compared to Blue Diamond. Of course, maybe this advantage is really not an advantage at all: if I use this stuff as a crutch to avoid having to perfect my stroke, it might not have helped me at all. Or maybe with increased confidence I'll stroke better naturally. Who knows.

Eventually, someone stopped at my table and offered to play some, so I accepted and chalked my cue again. I painted a little more chalk over top of what was still left and it felt almost unnecessary. I shot for another hour without chalking again and had no issues at all.

So that's the third advantage Kamui has over other chalk: it just sticks there and won't budge. I chalked twice in about 2 hours, and probably could have stretched it out to 2.5 or 3 hours without much of an issue. I have no clue how long it will take me to go through this $25 piece of chalk (it would take a more extended evaluation period to even hazard a guess), but I can imagine it taking as long as $10, 15, maybe even more, worth of Blue Diamond.

I'm a believer. This chalk is fantastic. I'm not yet sure that makes it worth $25/cube just on principal, but holy crap do I feel like much less of a fool for shelling out that kind of cash for a damn piece of chalk. If it lasts 6.4 times as long as Blue Diamond, and the no mess/greater response aspect is worth twice as much as Blue Diamond, then presto, we've reached the 12.8 multiple we need to make it worthwhile.

I sure as hell hope it's cheaper when it's released in larger quantities in August. But I definitely am no longer going to laugh at anyone who shells out the cash for this stuff.
 
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Nice report. I've got one piece on order from my retailer, who picked it up at last week's show in Las Vegas. I won't feel so sheepish when I pay him off tomorrow. Hope my results match yours.
 
Assuming the stuff does work as good as reported, is there any issue with its legality in say pro tournaments etc? Or no problem at all with this.
 
good report!

Nice review, and nice of you to admit you were wrong previousely when you judged this chalk without trying it firstly...
Today my Kamui chalk arrived as well, so I'm looking forward to try it! Will revert with a short review afterwards.
 
ive had mine about a month. has barley made a mark in the cube , should last a year if i dont loose it

carl
 
Interesting... I think I'll stick to master chalk. I dunno, I guess I like chalking every shot. The chalk dust doesn't bother me, it prolly doesn't cause cancer. I think I'll leave this made in japan crap, in japan. I bet it costs about $0.50 a piece to make. Especially if it's coming from japan. That's one hell of a profit margin! Where can I buy some stock?

But hey, if it works for you guys then that's good, enjoy :thumbup:
 
There has been many positive reviews on the performance of Kamui chalk. A big issue for most people is here is rationalize or correlate performance to price.

For example, if Masters is 25 cents a cube, and Blue Diamond is $2.50, then Blue Diamond must be 10 times better, otherwise its not worth it. At $25 for Kamui, and if we continue to use the same cost/performance scale leads to an expectation that it has to perform 100 times better than Masters.

Nice review, and nice of you to admit you were wrong previousely when you judged this chalk without trying it firstly...
Today my Kamui chalk arrived as well, so I'm looking forward to try it! Will revert with a short review afterwards.
 
Still the problem here is the $25 a piece...Even though you have tested this chalk and pros have done the same thing. If your playing a tournament finals and first place is 2000-3000 are you gonna take the chance of only chalking once the whole set. I doubt it!!!! So you are gonna burn through this stuff just as fast and keep paying the price.
 
There has been many positive reviews on the performance of Kamui chalk. A big issue for most people is here is rationalize or correlate performance to price.

For example, if Masters is 25 cents a cube, and Blue Diamond is $2.50, then Blue Diamond must be 10 times better, otherwise its not worth it. At $25 for Kamui, and if we continue to use the same cost/performance scale leads to an expectation that it has to perform 100 times better than Masters.

Or to look at another way, a cue costs several hundred dollars or more, a glove about $10, and a tip $15 to $35 or more. If you get even 3 months of use, $25 is not a lot to pay. I may give it a try... :cool:
 
I'm sure most of us on AZ do it correctly, but a cube of Masters can last quite awhile if applied the right way to a cue -- like lipstick. $1 worth of Masters will easily carry me through one year. However, it sounds like one piece of Kamui might last me 10 years!

I think I need to go back and read some of the Kamui threads; I've been ignoring them. I didn't realize you could apply the chalk and not have to re-chalk again after many shots. Not sure that I understand the concept/design. Is there Teflon in the chalk or something like that?
 
Still the problem here is the $25 a piece...Even though you have tested this chalk and pros have done the same thing. If your playing a tournament finals and first place is 2000-3000 are you gonna take the chance of only chalking once the whole set. I doubt it!!!! So you are gonna burn through this stuff just as fast and keep paying the price.

IF you chalk up every shot, which is part of our pre shot routine, there is some build up and you have to clean/wipe the shaft.

I have a cube in my case, but do not use it anymore for that reason. When I did use the Kamui it worked fine.
 
Still the problem here is the $25 a piece...Even though you have tested this chalk and pros have done the same thing. If your playing a tournament finals and first place is 2000-3000 are you gonna take the chance of only chalking once the whole set. I doubt it!!!! So you are gonna burn through this stuff just as fast and keep paying the price.

^^^^^^^^ This
 
Glad to hear it worked well for you. I wont be buying it due to its cost, and the fact that in a years time that one piece is more likely to end up stolen or lost! Oh well, to each their own, its sounds like you found something that's a good fit for you.

For now on I'm calling this stuff the "Everlasting Gob Stopper" chalk!
 
Thanks for the well-reasoned and informative post.

I'm not sure I'll ever not be shocked to hear $25/cube, but it does sound as there is a definite benefit to the product and perhaps a sound basis for the pricing.
 
In other news, the placebo effect is a known phenomenon sweeping the chalk world.

Dont worry, I used to think I shot better after a few beers at one point in my life.
 
OK, I finally gave in and bought a piece from Seyberts to see for myself what all the fuss is about. It's good chalk, works fine, it didn't change my stroke at all, I didn't miscue, but I didn't with other chalk either unless I gagged my stroke. I see no big benefit. I prefer not to change my preshot routine and not chalking before each shot, especially testers, got in my head. I'm sure that over time I could change this, but as I said, I see no benefit... so I will pass on buying any more. No doubt I've blown $25 on less.
:p
 
For me chalking is part of my routine, and I do not mind it plus it gives me a chance to think, plus piece of mind.

I will say this I use Master's and was playing a game of 3 ball for money and miscued, one of my bud thought either I choked or was trying to throw the game (maybe to get the pot up) but I told him honestly I miscued.......maybe I should switch chalk maybe not for 25 bucks lol.
 
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Hopeless

It's good chalk, works fine, it didn't change my stroke at all, I didn't miscue, but I didn't with other chalk either unless I gagged my stroke. I see no big benefit.:p

[Darn, almost coulda saved Kooney's game...]
 
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