3/8-10 "A" joint bolt?

BarenbruggeCues said:
This is exactly the reason why any hole of any importance on any cue should be bored and not drilled with a tail stock.
You can also have the tip of the center of the tailstock on dead center
with the headstock but if the tailstock is canted or not in perfect a line with the center line of the lathe it may cause problems with punching holes.

<~~~another thing that can send things sideways is your machine not being in perfect level..........

I think drilling is ok in the "A" joint area so long as the lathe is true enough & the stock is chucked up on center. It's usually pretty easy to find. Drill & thread the hole, then screw in a pin & check for runout. If it's got runout then there's a problem. If not then it should be fine. Another trick I learned early on is boring with a router bit. But even boring is a waste if the stock is not chucked on center with the spindle.
 
qbilder said:
I think drilling is ok in the "A" joint area so long as the lathe is true enough & the stock is chucked up on center. It's usually pretty easy to find. Drill & thread the hole, then screw in a pin & check for runout. If it's got runout then there's a problem. If not then it should be fine. Another trick I learned early on is boring with a router bit. But even boring is a waste if the stock is not chucked on center with the spindle.



Ding..ding..ding..................we have a winner!




<~~~fast, easy, down and dirty....................................
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
Ding..ding..ding..................we have a winner!




<~~~fast, easy, down and dirty....................................

What's my prize? Can I have some of that ironwood?

I just got done chainsawing a manzanita burl into quarters to fit through my bandsaw. I had to sharpen my chain twice, and got my hand stuck to the exhaust & burned it pretty good. What was going to be a nice evening in the shop just turned into a blockbuster movie night :(
 
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Did you use a buzz ring at the A joint? It helps if you put a small phenolic ring maybe .060-.125 thick. you must glue the ring on first then turn your tenon to size and face the ring. this will eliminate the end grain on end grain problem and also help with any buzz in the cue hence the name
 
qbilder said:
What's my prize? Can I have some of that ironwood?

I just got done chainsawing a manzanita burl into quarters to fit through my bandsaw. I had to sharpen my chain twice, and got my hand stuck to the exhaust & burned it pretty good. What was going to be a nice evening in the shop just turned into a blockbuster movie night :(

Sorry to hear about your burning experience......hate it when a plan falls to pieces.

I tried to give a piece of that ironwood away once before and it whimpered like a pup till it found its way back home.


<~~~takes pride in training my ironwood................
 
I can usually see when drilling & tapping, and something goes south, just about as soon as It starts. Dave is correct though, in that there are many things against You when doing them that way, even when you start off on center, if everything isn't trammed well, It can cause the drill and the piece your drilling to fight against each other, start to hop, and walk all over the place. I've had luck step drilling, and using somewhat stubby tooling, followed by a carbide reamer. I have also bored the hole, only I haven't tried the router yet. It does sound promising though, wish I had a extra lathe I could setup and dedicate to something like that. I usually use a manual mini boring tool. I have to aggree, no matter how you go about It, It does work better to bore the final ID in most cases. I found that out early on Myself.

When I first started out, one of the biggest hurdles were drilling good centers, and staying inline. Not just in the "A" joint, but even the pins. Step drilling, followed by reamers, or the boring bar helped eliminate most of those problems. That, and a few good drills, because not all are created equal.

I was happy last night when I had some that the "A" had been ready to glue up for about 2 years, and I just now got back around to messing with. I screwed them together, ran em between centers in the lathe and 2 still ran true at the "A" joint.

Still even though I've gotton over some of the hurdles involved, It's still like playing a game each time, trying to manipulate everything to work to My advantage. One of these days I would like to setup a station for "A" joint work only. As It is now, I have to drill slower, and It helps to keep things running true center. What I sometimes worry about though, is heat that could be picked up. There's a fine line of just how slow I can go, so I still have to feed the TS at a decent rate of speed, just try to slow It down enough to keep control of the center, so It doesn't start to walk.

Ohh, ofcoarse like all the things involved with this, there has to be a bad apple somewhere in the bunch. I did have a third cue that had been put to the side with the other 2, while I was working on other cues in that 2 year time period. It was basically just a coco handle that ran all the way to where the butt cap would be, with a curly maple forearm. It did have some runout at the "A" joint when I checked. The coco ran true all the way up the handle to about 3 or 4 inches from the "A" joint, then ran off a hair. The forearm side already had stitch rings & the threaded rod glued in It, so would have sucked If the forearm ran off. Atleast I can just cut a few inches down on the coco, machine a new joint, and still save the cue. I'll just core the bottom, plug It with a dowel & add a curly sleeve. Probably look nicer and balance better anyhow.
 
I don't use metal in the A-joint but if I did use a 3/8 stud, I'd get a 9/16 phenolic rod and glue that in to the handle solidly first.
Then drill/bore it for the 3/8 stud.
The most critical area of the butt needs a lot of attention.
 
masonh said:
phenolic in the handle and forearm?
IN the handle at least ( last one to receive it even some do it backwards ).
The phenolic reinforces a lot of things there.
 
qbilder said:
What's my prize? Can I have some of that ironwood?

I just got done chainsawing a manzanita burl into quarters to fit through my bandsaw. I had to sharpen my chain twice, and got my hand stuck to the exhaust & burned it pretty good. What was going to be a nice evening in the shop just turned into a blockbuster movie night :(




Mannnn, I feel for you, Those muffler burns have a way of constantly reminded you they are there. Can definately ruin a night for you.

I have 2 chainsaws, only nothing that good to cut around here. Only eastern cedar and oaks where I live. Have to keep chainsaws around for cutting the oaks off the houses after all the storms in the last 5-6 years. One time I had a few weeks worth of cutting and stacking. Each day I had to take the file to the blades 5 or 6 times. Had quite a stack of fire wood going though, gave a couple of seasons worth to a few people, and still had a huge long stack left. Too bad I couldn't use It for cues.


Speaking of ironwood, My neighbor ran some through a planer one time, made some sparks, and then It broke one of the sides of his old steel framed planer. He welded It back together and says It still works better then some of the newer ones He Has. I think he has 3 of them altogether. 2 newer ones, and the old one that he broke, then fixed, and He still likes It better.

I don't have a pair of those chaps, and the 2 things that go through My mind the most are kickback, or the chain coming loose and wipping accross Me. Anything as hard as Ironwood would scare the crap out of me. I have one saw that's sort of boggy in comparason to the other, so I have to keep the revs wound all the way up on It to cut thick stuff, It will go through It, but I usually use It on the smaller stuff, or to trim the scrub with because it doesn't weigh as much and wear you down, but even at full throttle It will stall before breaking. The Stihl I have though, That thing is bad ass, Revs really high Like a dirt bike. It's a great saw, real workhorse, but It definatly has My respect, and keeps me paying attention.
 
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