3/8-10 tap question.

the first thing i did was google it. All i got was refferences to ho scale model trains I did not think that was correct. and since I'm on my Xbox and not a regular computer I figured maybe someone here would know. I tried calling alas themselves however they where closed when I called today.

If the thread had started off this way we'd have all seen that you did some legwork and you'd have received more direct answers.

Try searching for H0, not HO. According to the Atlas website, the H0 tolerance is a tight fit for shafts. (See Atlas Special Taps)

If you want to learn more about taps, try Everything you wanted to know about taps but were afraid to ask.
 

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To the OP

Don't be discouraged by some of the assholes that post here. They have a totally different view on learning. Az is a great resource with many people that will give you a straight answer if you ask. You just have to weed through all the BS. If everyone helped themselves out there would be no AZ. There are no stupid questions . So ask away, I will share everything I know because I learned it for free, I did not buy books and DVD. Would the books and DVD"s help , yes of course , but there are other way of learning too.

Hope this forum did not turn you away already. This whole "help yourself" mantra bs is getting old. No man is a island.
 
i was getting the same results,
then i realized it's not the letter O, it's 0 the number
that's how i found this that i pm'ed you yesterday
http://www.cutting-tool-supply.com/TechTips/Tapping/HLimitsClass/HLimitsClass.htm

I know it is a zero. Again, I am a computer programmer. When you have to comb through thousands of lines of code just to find one mistake, you learn real fast how to differentiate
0 from O
, from .
; from :
g from q
1 from l
u from v

Trust me it just isnt coming up. But thanx for the link.
 
Well, I guess that I'm the only dummy here, b/c I'm still swimming. At first the article seemed enlightening, but it says the H-limits are a sequence that starts with the size limit of the part or H1, H2, H3, etc. But this tap is H0? Before the sequence begins. Does this just mean that it is just Basic and they started their own limit? Or does it start to a negative limit (which should be an L1, L2, etc)?

Daren- who has been swimming since childhood

Yeah when i read that it had me thinking the same thing then i extrapolated that if the increments go up by .0005 for every h value then making the h value 0 would in effect be making the tap .0005 under size, in a metal to metal situation that wouldnt work to well but in metal to wood it would be just fine becasue the wood will comepensate. Im wondering if maybe the h0 class fit was designed with by a cue maker or wood worker. but that was just my thinking on it, someone correct me if i am wrong?
 
If the thread had started off this way we'd have all seen that you did some legwork and you'd have received more direct answers.

Im going to have to call bullsh*t on this one. Had i started it with i have already googled it the replies would have been well try googling it. just the same as the other dasy when i asked a direct question about a wrap template and said that i didnt need to be told to practice and the first 5 or 6 posts were that i needed to practice. Or when i put that somewhere i ordered something and they closed down and three people sent the me think for the place i had ordered from that had closed down that i had already posted the link to in the OP. People are too quick to say google it than to read that i already have, i could have posted the following :

I went to http://www.google.com and in the search box at the top of the screen i used my keyboard and typed h0-class fit then i hit the enter button, and then i waited the apropriate amount of time for my internet to respond then i reasd the results. In the results that followed on the next seven pages I could not find anything reguarding a h0-class fit. thinking that maybe H0-class fit had some kind of relationship with HO scale trains because that was the majority of the links it brought up i spent the next hour clicking most of the links and reading, and although now i am wiser to HO scale trains I am no more the wiser on what an H0 class fit is. I have exhausted myself trying to find the answer but it has been to no eval. I rreally hate to do this but is there anyone that knows what an H0 class fit is?

And the first reply would have been: There is this little thing on the internet called google you should try using that instead of trying to have everyone else do your work for you.
 
Try searching for H0, not HO. According to the Atlas website, the H0 tolerance is a tight fit for shafts. (See Atlas Special Taps)

if you read the original post you will see that not once but twice I put that it was an H0-class fit. not that is an 0 not an O. So why exactly would i have typed H0-class fit twice here and not actually used it in the search engine. I swear to you people t just is not coming up. It may have something to do with the xbox i have no idea but it just isnt coming up.
I SWEAR TO GOD AND COUNTRY IT IS NOT COMING UP.
IT'S NOT COMING UP.
IT IS NOT COMING UP.
IT ISN'T COMING UP,
NEGATIVE ON THE COMING UP,
ITA ISA OTNA OMINGCA UPA,
NO SECA ACERCA,
HET IS NIET KOMEN,
IL NE VIENT PAS JUSQ'A,
ES WIRD NICHT KOMMEN,
NIL SE AG TEACHT SUAS,
NON STA ARRIVANDO,
SED CONTRA AST QUOD ASCENDERE,
TO NIE JEST WYMYSLANIE,
DET KOMMER INTE UPP,
NID YW'N YN DOD I FYNY,
IT NGEKE KUFIKE UP,
AND IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF YODA: COMING UP, IT IS NOT!

There I do not think i could say it any clearer it just is nt coming up. What i put in it just does not work.


((((((( As a side note, no I do not know all of the languages i just used. I Googled them!!! ))))))
 
Everything I read says that the H limit starts at H1..... there doesn't seem to be an H0.... All the H limits are above the basic size and it you go under size, the factor is L..... L1, L2....etc

Kim
 
I just Googled H0 taps.
Nothing more.
The very first entry is....Everything you wanted to know about....?

Robin Snyder
 
According to the Atlas website, the H0 tolerance is a tight fit for shafts. Atlas Special Taps)

Although you are correct that the 3/8-11 tap on the page does say H0 for tight fit, I may have missed it because I was not on that page, I was looking for a long, 3/8-10 tap, so I was on this page not the one you posted, http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=29&ITEM_ID=5824 And since it wasnt on the page they were selling it on I figured they just didnt havbe enough forsight to post it anywhere. I didnt think to look at the taps I was not interested in, on a different page than I was on, in a size I wasnt interested in, for an explaination. That was completely an oversight on my part, and for that I am deaply sorry.
 
had to call atlas about another matter, while i had them on the line ,
i asked about the ZERO
he said it came from the machinist's handbook

and searching for that, it appears for a mere $70, i can get one
 
To the OP

Don't be discouraged by some of the assholes that post here. They have a totally different view on learning. Az is a great resource with many people that will give you a straight answer if you ask. You just have to weed through all the BS. If everyone helped themselves out there would be no AZ. There are no stupid questions . So ask away, I will share everything I know because I learned it for free, I did not buy books and DVD. Would the books and DVD"s help , yes of course , but there are other way of learning too.

Hope this forum did not turn you away already. This whole "help yourself" mantra bs is getting old. No man is a island.

As I stated before, Being in the computer industry for as long as I have I have gotten used to people being too lazy to answer a simple question, and just putting "Google it" as an answer. Had he typed the url to the site he found it would have been less work than typing his whole "its amazing how fast google works..." comment. And it would have been even shorter if he just would have put "Its tighter".

Instead these people would rather ridicule people by acting like they are better than them. Teach a man to fish. Yeah right, I bet they would also like to teach a person with no arms or legs to swim too right? Instead of just helping a person, they automatically assumes they are stupid and treats them like idiots. I dont apreciate being treated like an idiot, so i have been playing thier game with them. Honestly this is kind of entertaining at this point. Honestly it doesnt bother me that they said it, What bothers me is that they still think I am stupid.

I have said multiple times that it is not coming up and still they think it is me that is doing something wrong. They have stated that I may not have used a zero and instead put in a capital letter "o" even though the original post clearly has a 0 instead of a O. Now why would I use an O in my search but change it to a 0 in my post. Dont they think if i figured it out twice in my original post that it was a zero that I would have said to myself "wait a second, maybe if i put zero in the search engine it will come up". Instead treating people like idiots is easier than sharing what ever knowledge they have. Or maybe that was it. Maybe they just didnt know the answer themselves. I dont know.

Do I think ill of them? Naa its all in fun and im not hurt by it. Do i think they are idiots? No. Why would i go through all this then? Because all to often people who have some knowledge automatically assume that people that ask questions are in some way inferior to themselves if they already know the answer, and assume it is due to laziness on the part of the asker on why they dont know.

They use the phrase teach a man to fish like its a montra, but then say heres a pole fend for yourself and figure it out yourself. I myself know quite a bit about cue repair from reading hightowers book, but what is the difference between reeding his book and asking him personally. Nothing in my book, you are still being spoon fed the answer. The only difference is how much work the spoon feeder had to do to give you that knowledge.

There is not one thing in life you learn on your own. Everything you know is because someone else taught you and if you really think otherwise you are sorely mistaken. You take a child that does not know how to read and give him a book on how to read and he wont have any idea how to read afterward. Could any one of us do anything on a cue without the knowledge from others? No.

First off can anyoner here build a lathe using no knowledge from anyone else? If I drop you off naked in a forest could you come out with a working metal lathe using nothing but your own knowledge to do it. Could you haverst the metal, copper, magnets and everything else to even make the motor. No and it would be assinign to try to have someone do it. But it just goes to show you that we all are idiots using tools and knowledge that smarted people than us have made. And since people love quotes about fish so much around here, here is a quote for you. "Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will go its whole life thinking its stupid" Albert Einstein

I am extremely proficient at reading binary code. You know the "00100100" stuff you see in computer programming. but I would be willing to bet money maybe only 3 percent of the people that come here to this site could say the same. Could very many of the people that come here tell me the that 00000010 represents the number 2 or why? Yet that is computer 101. That is so basic it would be like saying most cue sticks are made of wood. To someone that doesnt understand it, they may say "that stuff is way over my head, how does he do it so easy".

But if i was to explait that :
1) There are 8 spots in a number

2) Starting from the right hand side you have 1 then the second spot would be two then each each spot after that represents a square of 2. So it looks like this (128) (64) (32) (16) (8) (4) (2) (1) (((((Hence the name binary, from the latin binarius "consisting of two")))))

3) Each spot is represented by either a 0 or a 1. 0 represents off and 1 represents on.

4) If it is a zero that means that spot is not present in the number. If it is a 1 it is present.

5) you start with the number you want to encode to binary then subtract the largest spot you can from the number. So if the number was 23 the first three numbers would be left blank because they are large than 23 then 16 can be subtracted from the number so you would put a 1 in the 16 spot and go to the next number since 23-16 is 7 you canot subtract 8 from seven so the fifth didgit would be a zero again then since 4+2+1 equal seven the last three would be 111 so the full binary representation of 23 would be 00010111.

Second example: the number 173 would be represented by 10101101 because 128+32+8+4+1=173

Now how can I tie this in so that it is pool related? If you look at the power switch on your lathe, router, drill press, and many more electronic devices, you will more than likely see that there is a zero for the rocker switch that if you push it will turn the machine off and there is a 1 for the rocker switch that if pushed will turn it on. 0=off 1=on just like in binary code. The printing on the switch is coded in binary is why. But most people think it represts o for the first letter in off. Now you know the truth and every time you see that for the rest of your life you will know that is what it represents.

So maybe next time peoiple should think twice about acting better than the other person because he has some knowledge they dont, and instead of belittling that person, he will just give them a straight answer.

But i Doubt it.............................................
 
had to call atlas about another matter, while i had them on the line ,
i asked about the ZERO
he said it came from the machinist's handbook

and searching for that, it appears for a mere $70, i can get one

There you go for a mere 70 bucks you can find you the reason it is h0 is because its tighter.

Hey i just came up with a million fdollar idea, I am going to come up with a forum type discussion bored so that a person could ask people more knowledgeable than themselves questions so we don have to pay 70 bucks to find out Its tighter.

Then when someone doesnt know an aswer he can come ask others and they will be able to help him.

Oh wait it will never work because if I do that the people will just get frustrated by people telling them google it for three pages after the original post and not use it anymore.

It is aweful funny how many people I know refuse to go on forums becasue you have to weed through a shit load of high and mighty responses before you get a legitimate answer that is even somewhat helpfull.

As a side note, Thank you BHQ for being the first one to send me a link that explained it enough that i figured out what was going on. It is people like you and enigmatical that make me keep returning to this site.

Sure I have to weed through the bullshit EVERY time but it is worth it when you finally find that one person that is willing to help you.

Thank you for sharing knowledge. It makes it worth coming back.
 
As I stated before, Being in the computer industry for as long as I have I have gotten used to people being too lazy to answer a simple question, and just putting "Google it" as an answer.

Personally, I don't care for people who keep talking about being in the computer industry and they can do this and that and toot their own horn. Your google fu is obviously lacking because like people said, the information comes up on the first page.

Try:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=H0-CLASS+FIT

Or how about:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=h0+site:forums.azbilliards.com

The reason you have gotten used to people "being too lazy to answer a simple question" is because it's a simple question and we would like to see you put forth some effort to find it. If your time is too precious to waste researching an easy question, then you obviously have no respect for the time we have to spend teaching you the answer to the simple question.

Yes, saying up front that you have tried this and tried that does go a long way if you state it in the beginning. It let's people know what you have attempted, and can give them an idea of where to begin helping you at. This is a forum with information that stays here (barring one of the mods having to remove it). If more people would read the vast tomes of information, instead of seeing the same question repeated ad nauseum, they wouldn't be as aggravated as they are.

So, in conclusion, please don't talk about your IT credentials, be respectful of those who have more knowledge and assume that their time is at least as valuable as yours is (and if you're asking them for help, you should probably assume that it's worth more, at least in this field), and if you get a little slap in the face, take it with Chinese kung fu movie student humility and explain what you've done to find the solution on your own (which you should have done originally).

There is a wealth of knowledge here, spend the time to use it.
 
The thread tolerance charts that I have , for taps start at H1 for the first oversize tap, and going up to H6.
Undersized taps start at HL1 which is the same amount the 1st over sized tap is, but is under sized.
Smaller taps go up and down in size from the nominal pitch diameters by increments of 0.0005 inches or metric 0.013 mm. The spec says zero to plus 0.0005 inches for H1 and HL1 zero to minus 0.0005 inches.H2 is +0.0005inch to +0.001inch etc. None of the tap manufacturers that I deal with make a H0 tap, but it theoretically does exist. Most likely due to manufacturing tolerances the H0 is technically covered in both the H1 and the HL1 ,and I would think that the Atlas tap would technically be an HL1 tap covered in the zero to minus 0.0005 inch or the upto -0.013mm
Neil
 
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To the original poster.

I've skimmed across this thread for several days now, but haven't really had any time to reply.

My time is pretty thin these days so I really try to make the best use of it. I felt that it would take more of my time than I had to give to get you the right information. It's more than "it's tighter".

When I first read your post, my first thought was that it was really easy information to find. As a matter of fact, I googled your exact words from your original post, "what is an H0-class fit" and found exactly what you were looking for. I even copied your words and pasted them into the google search and got the same results. I'm not sure why it isn't coming up for you.

I learned most of the things I know today from research and reading on my own. I do make machines, although not like you described, that do most of the work on our cues and shafts. Now, I didn't come up with the knowledge out of thin air and it did come from someone else, but it didn't require their time. I invested my time to find what they had already documented. When someone has to spend their time to answer your questions it's quite different than you going and reading something on the subject. Chris Hightower already invested his time to write his book, and he gets paid for that time each time he sells a book. Asking him to personally provide the same information for free would be disrespectful. They should just buy the book.

So, please don't think that because some of us here try to point you in the right direction to find it for yourself that we are disrespecting you. Certainly, we don't think you're stupid. Quite the contrary. If we felt that you were not capable of understanding the information at all then why would we send you in that direction. Actually, we just wouldn't respond at all.

I do urge you to still go ahead and read the information you've been directed to. H limits are tricky, and can cause issues if you don't use them properly. I wouldn't want to see you damaging someone's cue because you didn't know.

Just trying to help!


Royce
 
Personally, I don't care for people who keep talking about being in the computer industry and they can do this and that and toot their own horn. Your google fu is obviously lacking because like people said, the information comes up on the first page.

Try:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=H0-CLASS+FIT

Or how about:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=h0+site:forums.azbilliards.com

The reason you have gotten used to people "being too lazy to answer a simple question" is because it's a simple question and we would like to see you put forth some effort to find it. If your time is too precious to waste researching an easy question, then you obviously have no respect for the time we have to spend teaching you the answer to the simple question.

Yes, saying up front that you have tried this and tried that does go a long way if you state it in the beginning. It let's people know what you have attempted, and can give them an idea of where to begin helping you at. This is a forum with information that stays here (barring one of the mods having to remove it). If more people would read the vast tomes of information, instead of seeing the same question repeated ad nauseum, they wouldn't be as aggravated as they are.

So, in conclusion, please don't talk about your IT credentials, be respectful of those who have more knowledge and assume that their time is at least as valuable as yours is (and if you're asking them for help, you should probably assume that it's worth more, at least in this field), and if you get a little slap in the face, take it with Chinese kung fu movie student humility and explain what you've done to find the solution on your own (which you should have done originally).

There is a wealth of knowledge here, spend the time to use it.

Let me get this straight now, Im less than a semester away from having a masters degree in computers. You even state you have read my IT credentials and still you post a post that shows me how to use google? Really? Are You f**king kidding me? What F**king part of it is not showing that dont you undewrstand. First off you are getting over ten pages with the same exact thing I am putting in. LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE CHEAP SEATS. I KNOW HOW TO F**KING USE GOOGLE. HENCE ME TELLING YOU MY CREDENTIALS ON COMPUTERS SO YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT OF F**KING TIME I HAVE PUT INTO COMPUTERS. BUT YOU STILL DONT F**KING GET IT. I GET SEVEN PAGES NOT 8 NOT TEN NOT OVER TEN I GET SEVEN. THAT MEANS THAT I AM NOT GETTING THE SAME ANSWERS YOU ARE. I WISH I COULD TAKE A SCREENSHOT SO I COULD SHOW YOU THAT ITS NOT ME IT IS THE XBOX THAT IS THE PROBLEM. SO IF I AM GETTING ONLY 7 PAGES AND YOU ARE GETTING OVER TEN THEN OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GETTING THE SAME RESULTS WITH THE SAME SEARCH NOW ARE WE?

I am doing all of this on an xbox not a computer. I am typeing everything out by hunting and pecking with a controller not a key board. I didnt know I would have to give my life story so some self rightous ***** would answer me straight.

And it is a simple question becasue you already know the answer. Just like as i pointed out binary is simple cause i know it. but to someone who has no idea about it it is not a simple answer. And obviously it is not a simple answer anyway because technically there is no such thing as an h0 class fit. the h standard goes up starting at h1 and down starting at hl1 so technically there is no h0.

And no saying something up front does not stop the idiots from answering google it. Many times i have posted to a forum stating all the steps i have taken to find out someonthing and inevitabley the first post witll be someone telling me to do all the steps i just told them I did.

In conclusion dont tell me not to quote my IT credentials, if you are trying to tell me to do something in the IT field. I have googled more things in my life than you probably have taken bathroom breaks in yours. its my job, its what i do. I dont come to your job and tell you how to do it dont tell me how to do mine and if you do tell me how to do my job be ready for me to tell you my IT credentials so you know how much time I have put into those credentials. I have the utmost respect for people who respect me and I show blatant disreguard to those who dont. Respect is earned, not given out like a cheap whore at a biker party.

If we are both getting different results from the same search then obviously it is not an end user problem but something in between the end user and the search engine itself. And if you would have read the vast majotity of the replys i have put here i stated multiple times that the information just isnt coming up.

Be respectful of people more knowledgable than myself? Of course I will if they respect me enough not to call me an idiot to my face. But you come at me like you just did, posting videos of you typing in words on google and showing me the results you get, that I clearly have stated I am doing and ahave also stated am not getting the same results, in essance calling me a moron then F**k respecting you.

If you cant have enough common dececy to treat me with respect then why in gods name would i treat you with any?
 
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